[noman]

the further you can get weight to one side is the winning way to do things,in my case i can do it better with my legs uncrossed.


SG i said your right but only to a degree.If you are in enough turbulence to not have control of your legs,you wont be flying the glider anyways.TRUST ME I KNOW!.Your the martial arts guy,how many kicks you you see with crossed legs,you cant kick high with crossed legs.Look at the footage earlyer on in the posts.the proof is in the pudding.Other than that your all just talking.

[noman]

I feel like being baned again!.What a hypocrisy.what a joke.The only thing i like about this place is the good people i have met on here.When the guy running the ship will let a guy with self imposed omnipotence,break the rules and call me a punk and get away with it then,ok fair enough!.I see the play book now and feel the game is fixed.Sg once again piss off ,a very bad show of character and bubbs like i said before your a paper dragon


Im signing off and i think i might spend this time i have been typing on this computer to do something more usefull like jerking off!.


What a hypocrisy!.what a joke!.

[Southside]

[sg]

noman, I cant read every post. I havent seen any name calling yet from BB. You gotta help me out by PM-ing me. If he did, then he broke the rules and needs to STOP IT.

I did see you say "....but due to your arrogance and impotence" towards BB and I didnt say anything about that. So lets not pretend were all innocent here and try to use the hypocrisy word

[sg]

Ok I found it..... "I can't just be runnin' around the country answer every punk's **** measuring challenge"

Bad JB Bad JB

[Pete B]

[BubbleBoy]

Southside:
>No where do I see in the below passage that the results
>were against other RWs.

Very strange Southside -- if I had told you after the fact that I had been flying a rigid and comparing my task placement against flexies I'd think you had a point -- but that's not what I did.

It's a relative measurement against my class -- If it's Falcon against Falcon or Topless against Topless or Rigid against Rigid it's still the same relative test.

In my Rigid class I had one *multi-time World Champion* with more competition experience that God (Porter) flying a tricked out factory wing that kicked my wings a88. There were mutliple National Champions and a guy with more XC miles that God (Davis). If someone can run with that level of experience in a same class wing I'm gonna give them right props every time -- be it Falcon or sailplane.

A rigid doesn't fly itself 400+ mile in 6 tasks any better than a flex wing does and when comparing my results against others in my class I find it hard to believe it matters to you what class it was -- but apparently I'm wrong. You have my humblest apologies that I didn't tell you that the result I reported were against other pilots also flying rigid wings. I understand that to you my argument is somehow impacted. Happy?

JB

[Southside]

[Pete B]

[el_loco]

[Wingspan34]

I was away for the weekend and came back to find this LOOOOOONG thread. I have not read it all so perhaps someone has already brought this up, but . . .

If you are hanging upright, at any point while flying, it seems clear to me that you are suspended from the leg loops in your harness. It is through the leg loops that most of your weight is "communicated" to the CG of the glider - via the positioning of your body by way of your hands and arms.

As far as negative effects go, it's where the middle and upper part of your body is positioned in relation to the glider (via the orientation of your arms and hands from your body to the down tubes) that has any practical effect on weight shift. I just don't see how legs swinging around a bit has any great or serious (i.e. negative) effect on things. (except in obvious newbie cross controlling situations)

Imagine a flexible tube (like a sock) with the bottom half filled with golf balls and the top half filled with an equally weighted hard wood dowel. Attach suspension straps to the top and bottom of the dowel (equaling the shoulder and leg loop points) and swing this whole set up around. The supporting strap won't notice more or less weight pulling down on it simply because the lower half golf balls are swinging a bit more freely than the dowel section.

However, it seems to me that it would be easier to change the position of the upper portion of the weight if the lower portion tended to lag slightly. In other words, make all the weight a rigid wooden dowel with the same attachment points and getting the whole mass to change direction would be harder.

Our goal, in rowdy conditions, is to be able to move our mass in the quickest response to the sharp, turbulent roll inputs hitting our wings. Sure our bodies can get "flung" around by such turbulence, but our swinging legs either dampen these pops, or they allow us to begin an effective opposing roll input just a bit more quickly. It seems like a win/win situation to me.

Specifically, with an experienced pilot, "flailing legs syndrome" typically has nothing to do with cross controlling and, I would contend, in fact, aids in quicker countering motions in response to turbulence.

I will also admit that *IF* we could rapidly swing our complete, rigid body side to side, we could load our straps with slightly more than one G of weight. If we could do so, this would give us a bit more control. But it would still take a great deal of strength to accelerate our whole bodies this quickly. It's more realistic to get most of it moving while the rest (our legs) takes a split second to catch up.

[mrpotatohead]

[sg]

They both have broken the rules, but now noman is even attacking me by lying that I edit peoples posts. Ill give him a chance to respond, but if he continues to attack my character like this every day with his signature, then every day is a rule violation which will have to be dealt with.

Now I cringe, because knowing his rebel attitude, this will just make him want to rebel even more and make things worse. He seems to like that I have no idea why he thinks I edit peoples posts. I dont. People can edit their OWN posts though. The only exception ive mentioned to date, is the removal of porn from someones post because I HAVE TO DO THAT, or im in violation of my server policy.

[Wingspan34]

See Above.

[noman]

Ok,maybe its my mistake.Where is the post that this quote belongs to

[sg]

Its on page #2, post #27 here on the OTHER thread:

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?p=102994#102994

[noman]

[mrpotatohead]

[noman]

made a mistake,it happens.

[peanuts]

sorry to have to interrupt whats going on here to reply to the original thread. any body else here ever heard of tchaikovsky syndrome. i vote for uncrossed legs.