I've been watching several accidents with PG in live during SIV courses organized over my lake and in Oludeniz - Turkey. One guy from Serbia finished in the water, in spiral without reserve, just like one on the video. He suffered pneumothorax, and couple of broken ribs. Doctors have to operate him and because traveler insurance didn't cover PG he have to pay 7000EU to the hospital. This was in Turkey.
Water is not a guarantee for safe if falling fast.
I wonder what is being said when two of them wrap together and
they are looking at each, in the face, while on the way down. _________________ H-4 (1976) UP Saturn 147 & UP Axis 13
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kind of like tying two cats tails together and throwing them over a cloths line.
ok jim i got to ask,which would you consider safer,all around,hanggliding or para gliding.Just in general which is safer.By the way i love my para brethren and i give them rides back to the lz all the time,we all luv the same thing.
As far as i go i would not want to fly 1 of those things,they scare the shiitt out of me.
As far as i go i would not want to fly 1 of those things,they scare the shitt out of me.
What's funny is that some PG pilots say much the same thing about hang
gliders. What you don't understand is scary, whichever way you're looking.
I think that safety on either craft is greatly dependent on the pilot. I think you
can be a safe pilot on either one, so long as you make prudent decisions and
respect the operating limits of the craft you're flying. The limits are different
for HGs and PGs, and you need to "calibrate your brain" accordingly.
The videos posted are (as Jim says) examples of "pushing the limits" in an
over-the-water maneuvers clinic or an acro competition. I've done a few clinics
myself over the years, and I'm hoping to go to another one soon. They're a lot
of fun, and I get to do things to my paraglider that I would *never* consider
doing over dirt, or without an instructor talking in my ear. Over water with good
coaching, the risk level is reduced enough to make it scary-but-fun, and it's
a good way to see what the limits are without getting hurt. At a typical clinic,
over three days with a dozen pilots, we *might* see *one* person go into the
water unintentionally. Some pilots throw a reserve deliberately, just to get a
chance to practice that skill.
Overall, the accident/fatality rates are comparable. We've seen an uptick
recently in PG fatalities, in part because we have more PG hours being
logged now, and because of statistical variation due to the small sample
population. When you break down the accident causes though, what you
see is that it's generally a result of bad decision making on the part of the
pilot. A fatality last year, for example, was related to a gust front...but the
proximate cause of the death was the pilot flying straight into a high-
tension power line tower, downwind. There was plenty of room to turn
and land, but the pilot froze up and flew right into the obstacle. PG or HG,
piloting errors don't really care.
Hi, my name is Jim (HI JIM) and I've been a bit of an a$$ recently.
I wanted to publicly apologies, especially to noman.
Complaining about a discussion adds nothing to it. All I've been accomplishing is derailing a healthy topic.
I should know better.
No, I do know better.
I'll find a better way to talk about the things I feel strongly about.
Sorry guys
Jim
Just in , oh you get the message by now don't you JIm? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Please take it easy on Jim, We all know how it takes time to get used to a new flying site. _________________ The sky is no longer the limit! Only our imaginations will be our limit!
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