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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject: non-flying day use for wind streamers Reply with quote #1   
Knowing which way the snowblower discharge is going to get blown by the wind. Smile


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #2   
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #3   
Where's that global warming they keep promising me? surrender


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #4   
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Where's that global warming they keep promising me? surrender

Don't confuse weather with climate mosh

Btw, yesterday first flight of the year in central Spain. Highly unusual good weather for this time of the year Mr. Green But not a single snowflake on our summits Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #5   
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Where's that global warming they keep promising me? surrender


The term "global warming" is outdated.

You will very likely experience "climate change" in your lifetime. There's a chance that you'll be happy with it.

And there's a chance that you won't like it at all.

I'm hoping that the right wingers will prove to be correct, that it's just a natural thing happening in the normal course of events, due to the Sun acting up or something else just as benign, and everything will be just fine, and your kids and grandkids will be able to to enjoy life as much as you have, and they won't have to use the impractical wind and solar and wave energy and keep on as usual, maybe even ordering the new Suburban with a V-10.

I'll raise a glass to the whole concept of Hope. It sure feels good to do it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #6   
I find the weather becomes more volatile every year.

For 30 years now, wherever I have travelled in the world I make a point of asking old people who are in tune with weather how things have changed over their lifetime... 99% say it's become more volatile and less predictable. Unprecedented floods, storms and/or drought.

But it's probably just a hoax right?
Perhaps we should be more worried about exponentially expanding the economy instead. Just not thinking about it is probably best...

    ---> If you figure there is a real possibility you are going into powerlines at the end of your LZ, think about kittens because there's also a good chance you won't hit them.

    ---> 9 out of 10 cancer specialists say you probs have cancer, but there's some good TV on right now and hey, you may not have cancer at all so don't worry about it.



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #7   
Some typical emotional remarks above regarding global warming. I am probably more versed in the subject than any layman in existence, including mountains of books and enough charts and graphs to bore you to tears. It's hard to debate all the misconceptions on the subject in a single forum post, so I'll limit myself to addressing the above.

1 "DON'T CONFUSE WEATHER WITH CLIMATE."

Correct. Yet whenever there is HOT weather virtually all the climate change zealots invariably cite it as proof that we are soon going to suffer the same fate as a bug under a magnifying glass. The Weather Channel does it, OZ Report does it, hell I've even heard scientists speculate that a whale swimming up the Sacramento River could be due to global warming - with no evidence whatsoever. If Al Gore et al can cite tornadoes as proof of climate change, then I reserve the right to cite 2016's lowest incidence of tornadoes in recorded history as evidence to the contrary.

2) "YOU WON'T LIKE IT AT ALL."

Maybe I will like global warming. When you visit Acapulco do you think it's a disaster area? It's ridiculous to fear climate that we normally consider a tropical paradise, and it shows how brainwashed we've become to the constant bombardment of climate change propaganda. The question is, why do climate changers ONLY equate it to fires, flood, famine and other calamities?

There are in fact vastly more BENEFITS to global warming than drawbacks. During the Medieval Warm Period when such temperature records as we can extrapolate prove it was the warmest in history, civilization thrived on earth. Growing seasons were longer, crops were grown farther north, influenza deaths plummeted, human population surged. Today's benefits for us would include fewer weather-related traffic fatalities. Including those, many more people die from cold-related causes than from heat.

3) "THE TERM 'GLOBAL WARMING IS OUTDATED."

Right again. In fact the entire concept has proven erroneous and so the terminology had to be changed. Al Gore's dire timelines have come and gone. Even the most die hard grant-funded NASA scientists admit that there has been absolutely ZERO global warming in the last decade. But how to keep the public in fear so they continue to support scientific grants...hmm. The term "climate change" also safely covers ANY atmospheric eventuality; I just read an article today which claimed climate change could result in abnormally cold, harsh winters - WTF? Since it can refer to ANY weather, "climate change" is a win, win for its supporters.

4) "BUT NOT A SINGLE SNOWFLAKE ON OUR SUMMITS"

But as I write this most of the western US is under what the National Weather Service" terms "UNPRECEDENTED" snowfall.

Why does 'climate change" only occur in places you and I can never and will never visit, and thus cannot verify - the Antarctic, etc? They claim sea levels are rising, flooding Indian villages in Alaska; not surprisingly, they want government disaster funding $$$. Money solves everything, doesn't it? Where I live glaciers in the Cascade Mountains have actually been growing, specifically on Mt. Shasta - highly visible from population centers and testament to the falsehoods of shrinking glaciers worldwide.

5) "WHAT IF CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX AND WE END UP CREATING A BETTER WORLD FOR NOTHING?"

That's like saying, "What if I randomly start stabbing people because I might accidentally hit a bad guy."

There are better ways (plus less controversial and more economical) to create a better world. I am a staunch environmentalist. Environmentalism is a noble enough cause in itself without tying it to untenable, politically based pseudo-science that, when inevitably debunked, will destroy the credibility of the legitimate environmental movement.

When I was young, scientists were warning us about an "impending ice age." TIME, Scientific American and numerous other magazines had entire feature articles devoted to the inevitability of an ice age and how to survive it. Therefore I had an inherent skepticism of global warming. You say we have greater knowledge and data now, but I say we have the same scientific community that is fallible, and even more prone to be influenced by the promise of grant money for this hot new fear-mongering, unproveable subject. I have amassed a library of data and publications from serious scientists contradicting every premise climate change zealots have alleged. You guys need to stop reading only what you already agree with and start really researching. That's what our Oregon State Climatologist George Taylor did. When his research led him to the conclusion that climate change was a lie, the Governor fired him - proving that climate change is definitely more political than scientific. For those of you heavy into science, his research can be found at:

http://marshall.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Taylor-Whats-Going-on-with-the-Arctic.pdf

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #8   
Interesting, I think I mostly agree.

So making more greenhouse gases' is the way to go then?
Exponential population growth is the answer?
De-forestation, is that a good thing?
Air that makes you clothes black?
A better economy?

Quote:
"WHAT IF CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX AND WE END UP CREATING A BETTER WORLD FOR NOTHING?"

That's like saying, "What if I randomly start stabbing people because I might accidentally hit a bad guy."


Come on now, that's just silly. I would have thought it's more like saying "9 out of 10 cancer specialists have diagnosed my child as likely to have terminal cancer, but rather than look into it more I'm going to go score some crack instead. Maybe I'll watch another movie instead".

I guess the point is it would be prudent for humans to take the possibility of climate change seriously. Only because while the risk may or may not be low (that our activities are changing our climate), the ramifications are unprecedented in our recorded history thus far.

What did you do during the war daddy? Watched TV and ate doughnuts. Complained about libtards.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #9   
Nicos wrote:


So making more greenhouse gases' is the way to go then?
Exponential population growth is the answer?
De-forestation, is that a good thing?
Air that makes you clothes black?
A better economy?


As I said, I am a staunch environmentalist, an avid supporter of clean air, water, wildlife protection, wilderness areas, and ESPECIALLY POPULATION REDUCTION, even at the expense of jobs and the economy. But again, Climate Change is too controversial to hitch the environmentalist wagon to. When it ultimately is debunked ( and it WILL be debunked) the entire environmental movement will have put all it's political eggs in one basket, and environmentalists everywhere will have lost all public credibility. It's going to be a disaster for the environmentalist cause worldwide.

PS: You can find some of my environmental philosophy on YouTube under the user name "Guerilla Tree Planters." We do lots of...er, "unauthorized reforestation." Kind of helps compensate for all the trees I've cut out of hang glider takeoffs all these years!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #10   
Climate is a scientific topic. In science, unlike in politics, opinions are irrelevant.

The climate always changes (by definition). If it did not it would be a hell of a nightmare to understand why.

The issue with climate is not whether it varies, just the time scale.

Disclaimer: I'd rather fly than type, but the long standing high pressures being swept by a cold front delivering 40 mph winds keep me grounded. Plain meteorology.

Enjoy the snow. It is water for tomorrow Wink good idea


Edit: I add this link http://xkcd.com/1732/ because it is cool, not to start a warm debate ROFL
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #11   
pablog wrote:
Climate is a scientific topic.


Global warming is a political topic!

See the difference there?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #12   
Rising sea levels, famine, global instability, war, mass extinctions, etc...

What's not to love about climate change?

http://www.csap.cam.ac.uk/projects/climate-change-risk-assessment/

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #13   
CHassan wrote:
Global warming is a political topic!

See the difference there?

Sure enough. In fact, global warming is a made up topic. I would rather say it is mostly journalistic than anything else. Btw, I did not mention global warming, just climate. surrender
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #14   
http://climate.nasa.gov/[/url]
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #15   
CHassan wrote:
pablog wrote:
Climate is a scientific topic.


Global warming is a political topic!


I think it's a humor topic.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #16   
Tom great illustration!!, can you post the source?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #17   
PaBlog had it above https://xkcd.com/1732/

Some of my favorites:





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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #18   
Younger Dryas in that humorous anti-scientific chart is very underestimated. According to some, the changes were amazingly fast, one order of magnitude faster than what we see today. And big, up to 6C. In decades!

But I like that somewhere on the chart it says that proxies filter out fast short changes. Since snow packs into ice in hundreds of years, be sure you understand what you are doing if you compare decades-long change with proxy data that filters it out.

Not that 'scientists' have any shame in doing exactly that...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #19   
The anti-scientific author of the comic has a degree in physics, worked at NASA on computing and robotics. I'm sure he drew the comic not to mock talking heads on Fox news, but instead he really has a devious ulterior motive to spread psuedo science propaganda to keep climate scientists employed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #20   
Still anti-scientific. Ad verecundiam is a fallacy. Not allowed in real science, very used in pseudo sciences.
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