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Mavi Gogun
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 Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:05 am Post subject: Bräuniger/Flytec purging stock? ramp up to new product line |
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Lest you thought the Bräuniger/Flytec price drop this year was a reaction to the world economic crisis, it may be an effort to clear stock in anticipation of next year's new product line roll-out. It looks like the feature evolution may be wider than the gap between the 5030-6030/Compeo-Compeo+.
<edited to clarify speculative element>
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AIRTHUG
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:30 am Post subject: |
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if that's the case everyone better get one while supplies last at that price, it would be hard to beat the current model i can't imagine what they could add, without making it more complex
the current model has all i need
1. how high am i
2. how high am i over launch
3. how fast am i climbing
4. what is the wind direction
5. what is the velocity of the wind
6. what speed do i need to fly for my best glide
7. what is my current L/D
8. What L/D do i need to reach a certain point
9. what time is it
10.what is my flight time
11. what is the air doing around me is it sinking or rising
12. what is my ground speed
13. what is my airspeed
14. i can down load my flight to google earth and see what terrain produces the best thermals and see my gains or losses
15. what direction was my last lift
this is an amazing instrument it will do so much more , these are just functions i use most.
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remmoore
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:01 am Post subject: |
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I won't be buying a new vario until it has an integrated moving map feature. Not just waypoints, not just airspace, but the type of detail my 76s offers.
I don't pay attention to much of the stuff my current vario is telling me - hell, I don't even have the clock function set on it! 
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Nigel Hewitt
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:15 am Post subject: |
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I have the Compeo+ which I think is the same as the Flytec 6030.
I'm supposed to be a physicist and a software guru.
It frightens me.
I don't think I need an upgrade |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:43 am Post subject: |
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I have a moving map that is always there when I fly. It is right below me and in front of me. 3D also.
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davisstraub
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:45 am Post subject: |
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From: Flytec
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:44 AM
To: davis@davisstraub.com
Subject: Re: Flytec
I have no idea who Mavi is but I seriously doubt that he knows much about new product development. He clearly is ill informed about the nature of niche market production (HG/PG) where substantial quantities are not produced obviating the need to "clear stock".
Ryan's response is perfect.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| davisstraub wrote: |
| I have a moving map that is always there when I fly. It is right below me and in front of me. 3D also. |
 i don't need to know where i am going, i follow the best path to my next thermal to busy looking at the clouds or land shapes that will best take me higher, i do watch for in the 3d map below me for streets. when you land just hit pin point on your cell phone and your driver will be given the directions to your location
but that's just my lack of knowledge, maybe i can learn something here what would you need a Map fore ?
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Mavi Gogun
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Correspondence with Bräuniger indicated the date for the new product line; pricing motivation was my own conclusion. (Notice that the missive Davis posted took issue with my pricing speculation- not product characterization.) Maybe Davis can share whatever he knows...? |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:40 am Post subject: |
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What would be great is for all the varios in the vicinity to form their own wireless network and 'talk' to each other. By sharing data points on thermals/sink windspeed etc., your vario could point you to thermals near you and plot out their trajectory. This would be great for sites where you have a lot of pilots flying, but would make you pretty lazy.
Don't know if this is possible right now but it would be great to see.
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Mavi Gogun
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| What would be great is for all the varios in the vicinity to form their own wireless network and 'talk' to each other. |
Flymaster claims it will implement such a feature with the LIVE- but don't hold your breath: they've been promising an air speed indicator was coming soon for over 18 months...
From their site:
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FLYMASTER LIVE-TRACKING NAVIGATION SYSTEM(PATENT PENDING)
The GSM/GPRS module (Quad Band) of the Flymaster LIVE allows the connection to a remote server which provides live-tracking on GoogleEarth or other live tracking servers.
Other features will soon be available, for example:
- sharing of position and flight data with other pilots;
- automatic sending of messages in case of incidents |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| CAL wrote: |
| davisstraub wrote: |
| I have a moving map that is always there when I fly. It is right below me and in front of me. 3D also. |
but that's just my lack of knowledge, maybe i can learn something here what would you need a Map fore ? |
So, I'm not claiming that all XC pilots need a moving map. For me, I like to be able to tell my driver which highway to turn onto, when she gets to the intersection. If I don't already know the highway number, the moving map tells me.
Nothing pisses off my driver more than me not being able to tell her which way to go. Cell phone reception is unreliable in some areas, so letting her know where I am while in the air is important.
My Brauniger IQ Comp and 76s combination does this for me. If I'm gonna integrate both devices into one unit, it better do everything I'm getting now, at least.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Instead of moving map give her SPOT or Livetracker.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Instead of moving map give her SPOT or Livetracker. |
Sure, I could do that, but it's adding another piece of equipment. My original point was that the only reason for me to get another vario would be to reduce/integrate components.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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None the less it fits easily in your harness.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a garmin nuvi in my truck (about 50 bucks), I just give my driver coordinates, they punch them in and the rest is pretty mindless |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| The Map on my garmin has come in handy a couple of times while flying over unfamilar desolate terriean just to make sure I am headed for a town or a road. When the weather is good sometimes it is worth risking a big hike out for a big XC. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not saying that the pilots who want to fly with Garmin 76's are somehow wrong. It's just that it has never appealed to me. The extra weight, for example. The extra hassle. Backup track log is nice.
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| I have a Garmin NUVI in my truck (about 50 bucks), I just give my driver coordinates, they punch them in and the rest is pretty mindless. |
That's pretty much what I've done for years. I guess it depends on the anxiety levels of one's driver. Mine is pretty relaxed, but not always.
The SPOT and the LiveTracker are helping her keep up with me and make it so there are two backups (or frontups) for the radio and my location reports.
I continue testing.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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In a casual conversation I once asked Steve Kroop (Flytec USA) why the 6030 doesn't have maps...
He smirked and said something like "If you're thinking about the ground and where you'll land, you probably will."
I chuckled... then thought about it. Really- after you land you can figure out WHAT road you landed next to, but you don't need an instrument to see if there's a road below you or not. If you don't want to land far from a road, either follow the roads beneath you, or stay up... neither require maps
If you want a ground instrument, use a ground-GPS (like the Garmin 76 series). If you want an air instrument, use a 6030. If you want both, use both...
problem... SOLVED 
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