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Only launch with a tight hangstrap and this should never happen.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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I have awesome instructors!
We winch tow so the sequence for foot launching is:
- Ready for tension!
# Here you put a leg in front of the other, glider picked-up and wait for the tension in the line to be what you feel confortable with
- Tension is good
# Now you have enough tension. The winch operator no longer pulls you but the line is still under tension. While you wait for a cycle you do another visual glider check. You actually raise the glider up until you feel you're hooked-in and they you say:
- Hooked In!
# Now you're ready
- Clear and Launch!
# Oh yeah!
I guess you do at least a "Clear!" before launch...
Try to add a "Hooked-in!" and check for tension in your harness when you move your hands lower on the downtubes and raise the glider up to actually feel you're hooked in. 
I feel better since I start doing this. 
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Aussie method is 100 percent idiot proof
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Aussie method is 100 percent idiot proof |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| noman3 wrote: |
| Aussie method is 100 percent idiot proof |
works for me too |
I have switched to the Aussie method when foot launching.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: Aussie Method |
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What is the Aussie method?
Don't they have it easier down under since the hang glider hangs from them?  |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Never unhook your harness from the wing OR always hook-in first and then put your harness on.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Aussie method is 100 percent idiot proof |
It's a good method but it's still possible to launch with the leg loops or chest strap unbuckled. I have friends who have done just this. Even the Aussies will confirm this. At Sylmar, we don't use this method in part because we don't get to strut around all cool like penguins or cross-bred human-cucarachas but I suspect it's mainly because our launch and setup areas are very dusty and dirty and it damages our zippers and abrades our harness shells. I'd like to hear more from other Sylmar pilots.
I don't see as many pilots doing hang checks as I used to and I don't get it. I do a walk-through in the setup area and a reach-back and grab on the ramp. I cannot lift the glider until the straps are tight unless I want to get blown over backwards and injure my back. I'm happy for those who can.
If we all had Astroturf mats that we stored on the trucks and our drivers were kind enough to stow there away after we launched then I suppose there'd be more Aussie methods in use but we both know it ain't gonna happen. This failure to hook-in discussion is a s old as the sport and has been bashed around since the 70s. I still remember those "Hook-Up" signs that were being passed around in 1974/5.
Unless we all switch to direct-connect harnesses, I doubt it will ever end. Look at the number of automobile fatalities each year from people who were ejected from vehicles because they didn't hook in either. I really don't see how it's much different. People will ignore the red seat-belt lights and buzzers until the cows come home. Others will disable the sensors.
Use what works for you and try not to wretch when you learn about a peer who failed. I am friends with the pilot who made this error and it takes a huge set of nads to come out and put it on the club forum. My guess is there are many more hook-in failures that we will never know about. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| NMERider wrote: |
| noman3 wrote: |
| Aussie method is 100 percent idiot proof |
It's a good method but it's still possible to launch with the leg loops or chest strap unbuckled. |
It is also possible to forget to put a baton in or forget to pull back your tension, or any number of other things before you walk up to launch....what has that to do with launching un-hooked?
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This failure to hook-in discussion is a s old as the sport and has been bashed around since the 70s. I still remember those "Hook-Up" signs that were being passed around in 1974/5. |
This is the really sad part, think of everyone who has died or were severely injured because of failing to hook in. While ever the US teaches a flawed method people will continue to die. I have had a number of new pilots here on the org asking "What is the Aussie method?"
All I say is at least give them the information of the Aussie method, then if they want to strut around like a Penguin at least they do so knowingly they risk their life on their memory to do a hang check EVERY time WITHOUT fail for the next 20-30 years at the most stressful part of their launch.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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That can fail as well. I know a guy who lifted his wing on launch, felt the tug on his harness and launched.
Flew around a bit, and realized he was hanging from his pod's limiter line, and thats it. Wasnt really hooked in. Came in and landed quickly.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| NMERider wrote: |
| noman3 wrote: |
| Aussie method is 100 percent idiot proof |
It's a good method but it's still possible to launch with the leg loops or chest strap unbuckled. |
It is also possible to forget to put a baton in or forget to pull back your tension, or any number of other things before you walk up to launch....what has that to do with launching un-hooked?
| NMERider wrote: |
This failure to hook-in discussion is a s old as the sport and has been bashed around since the 70s. I still remember those "Hook-Up" signs that were being passed around in 1974/5. |
This is the really sad part, think of everyone who has died or were severely injured because of failing to hook in. While ever the US teaches a flawed method people will continue to die. I have had a number of new pilots here on the org asking "What is the Aussie method?"
All I say is at least give them the information of the Aussie method, then if they want to strut around like a Penguin at least they do so knowingly they risk their life on their memory to do a hang check EVERY time WITHOUT fail for the next 20-30 years at the most stressful part of their launch. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| NMERider wrote: |
| noman3 wrote: |
| Aussie method is 100 percent idiot proof |
It's a good method but it's still possible to launch with the leg loops or chest strap unbuckled. I have friends who have done just this. Even the Aussies will confirm this. At Sylmar, we don't use this method in part because we don't get to strut around all cool like penguins or cross-bred human-cucarachas but I suspect it's mainly because our launch and setup areas are very dusty and dirty and it damages our zippers and abrades our harness shells. I'd like to hear more from other Sylmar pilots.
I don't see as many pilots doing hang checks as I used to and I don't get it. I do a walk-through in the setup area and a reach-back and grab on the ramp. I cannot lift the glider until the straps are tight unless I want to get blown over backwards and injure my back. I'm happy for those who can.
If we all had Astroturf mats that we stored on the trucks and our drivers were kind enough to stow there away after we launched then I suppose there'd be more Aussie methods in use but we both know it ain't gonna happen. This failure to hook-in discussion is a s old as the sport and has been bashed around since the 70s. I still remember those "Hook-Up" signs that were being passed around in 1974/5.
Unless we all switch to direct-connect harnesses, I doubt it will ever end. Look at the number of automobile fatalities each year from people who were ejected from vehicles because they didn't hook in either. I really don't see how it's much different. People will ignore the red seat-belt lights and buzzers until the cows come home. Others will disable the sensors.
Use what works for you and try not to wretch when you learn about a peer who failed. I am friends with the pilot who made this error and it takes a huge set of nads to come out and put it on the club forum. My guess is there are many more hook-in failures that we will never know about. |
dust? Really?
John you make it sound like you have been flying since 1974 when we all know thats not the case.You have been lucky up until now.I would much rather take off with my leg loops unattached than my harness unhooked.The aussie method is the most survivable method out there and anybody that says other wise is a idiot.Go ahead and keep lying to yourself.All of you new people to the sport hook your harness to the glider as a part of your assembly of the glider and pre flight check your glider and harness as one.DO NOT unhook your harness from the glider until your flying day is done and you will live a long time.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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....dust? Really?
John you make it sound like you have been flying since 1974 when we all know thats not the case.... |
You are correct. That isn't the case. I have been flying since 1973 w/ 1000s of flights and ~1200 hours. So I was gone for 25 years? Little has changed during the intervening years other than the equipment and the loss of sites. I'm reading the same old arguments here I read 35 years ago and see nothing new.
Why don't you ask pilots why they don't pre-attach their harnesses and find out what's actually stopping them? Maybe there is some way to motivate pilots to change?
I've already given you one reason - Dust, dirt, sharp rocks, grit and generally things that will damage your harness and zipper are everywhere at my local club's site where we set up our gliders. The only clean spot to place your harness is behind the setup area.
What do you suggest? How can we work around this in a way that will get more pilots to change their ways?
My racing harness weighs 50# fully loaded with my O2 system. I can't even lift it to hook it in unless I'm wearing the damn thing. Maybe I should get inside the harness then stand up and hook in then step out of it? Have you thought about this as a way to avoid both an injured back and a damaged harness? Maybe what we should do is advise pilots to step out of their harnesses to verify hook-in?
I have yet to see where yelling at pilots and thumping one's bible preaching Hellfire and Damnation has ever done anything other than piss them off and make them even more stubborn in their ways.
I've made one good sales pitch. How about we find out why pilots don't pre-attach their harnesses and help them come up w. something they look forward to using. Your turn...  |
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