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6Dasher
Joined: 17 Jun 2012 Posts: 31 Location: northern california
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:59 am Post subject: New to this... and Wow! |
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Hi everyone.
I have a history of getting into "extreme" sports, lol, for lack of a better description. Historically I have surfed, skateboarded, snowboarded, wakeboarded,etc etc. I usually get involved at the competition level. I consider myself a VERY coordinated individual. I am also a meticulous type and like to tinker in my garage,/home machine shop. I think this sport is right for me.
I recently was at a sandwich shop with some friends and I saw a picture of a hang-glider on a wall. The picture was a still of a guy probably flying a few thousand feet up and I thought to myself wow that looks fun I should give that a try. So on to some google and youtube searches. HOLY BLEEP!!!!!! This isnt "gliding," it is freaking flying!!! It looks awesome. I can't believe I wasn't aware of this sport until now. Please someone tell me that this IS indeed as awesome as it looks!
Right now I have my first 5 lessons booked up with a local instructor who is also a wills wing dealer that seems to have a great reputation. I am anxious to start. Any advice for a complete noob is appreciated. What an awesome looking sport this is! |
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tom emery 3 thumbs up


Joined: 24 Sep 2011 Posts: 639 Location: san diego
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:28 am Post subject: Just fly |
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If you take up this endevour, be prepared to live it. It will consume you. You will wake up in the morning thinking of flying. You will go to this website looking for videos. You will film yourself and amaze your wife. You will drive hours to the fly for minutes. You have been warned!!!
On the practicle side, save the your money. Buy a Wills Wing Falcon III. Get the a used harness. Buy a vario. Build a rack on your car.
This will be the most intended sport you have ever done. Savor it. |
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snowbird 3 thumbs up


Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 351 Location: Florida/North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Just read this blog! You can get advice by the shovelfull!
Look up Red's advice at www.xmission.com. Lots of meat. Great advice.
Buy Dennis Pagens book.
Good luck! |
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tom emery 3 thumbs up


Joined: 24 Sep 2011 Posts: 639 Location: san diego
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:56 am Post subject: Intense |
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| "Intense", not intended. Damn smart phone. |
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red 3 thumbs up


Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 2744 Location: Utah, USA . . . . . . . . . . . . . Sol III
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: New to this... and Wow! |
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| snowbird wrote: |
Just read this blog! You can get advice by the shovelfull!
Look up Red's advice at [EDIT...] http://www.xmission.com/~red/
Lots of meat. Great advice. Buy Dennis Pagens book. Good luck! |
6Dasher,
Umm, Xmission is just my ISP, those techie guys won't be much help for flyin'.
My site is linked correctly in this message, just click in here.
Good books, for those long waits between flying sessions:
http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/Pilot%27s_Bibliography
 _________________ Cheers,
........Red.........................
Pssst! New pilot? Free advice, maybe worth the price,
http://www.xmission.com/~red/
H4, Moyes X2, Falcon Tandem, HES Tracer, Quantum |
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BRP 3 thumbs up


Joined: 30 Mar 2009 Posts: 211 Location: Idaho
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Get on here and find YOUR local pilots and volunteer to drive for them. Gets you way ahead in your lessons when you can watch and listen to others doing it!
Your new friends then become your mentors when you get past your lessons stage, and will keep you safe as you gain experience! _________________ Blaine
Falcon 1 -- 195
Ramair 146
H4 |
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Windlord 3 thumbs up


Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 4709 Location: Montana
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Outstanding! Got your lessons booked and you're off to a good start.
This sport requires patience, a lot of patience. The reward is well worth it.
Forget about the competition portion of the sport for quite awhile. This is going to require your full attention in the beginning,
Not to mention your full attention all of the time. This is not a sport, but a lifestyle.
Good luck on your lessons and be prepared to work hard. Keep us posted. _________________ H-4 (1976) UP Saturn 147 & UP Axis 13
The Cloudbase Foundation
Learn to fly hang gliders (click here}
Torrey Hawks #208 |
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FlyingFelix 3 thumbs up


Joined: 16 Jun 2012 Posts: 219 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:52 am Post subject: same here |
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| I've actually planned on doing the hang gliding thing all my life! Finally this is the year I got all of my funds together to go all the way: school, buy all the equipment necessary and time to do so. I have learned the hard way that PATIENCE is something I didn't plan on - dozens of scheduled lessons cancelled because of lackof perfect wather - as a beginner it all has to be perfect so you learn how it all should feel like. I already got to solo and now am in the process of getting my H2 though it took over two and a half to do so - I was planning a a couple of weeks (keep in mind I was dedicated and had all the time...if only the weather cooperated...). Anyway, i should be up in the air at my choosing soon :-) |
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Windlord 3 thumbs up


Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 4709 Location: Montana
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:59 am Post subject: Re: same here |
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| Cantesanu wrote: |
| I've actually planned on doing the hang gliding thing all my life! Finally this is the year I got all of my funds together to go all the way: school, buy all the equipment necessary and time to do so. I have learned the hard way that PATIENCE is something I didn't plan on - dozens of scheduled lessons cancelled because of lackof perfect wather - as a beginner it all has to be perfect so you learn how it all should feel like. I already got to solo and now am in the process of getting my H2 though it took over two and a half to do so - I was planning a a couple of weeks (keep in mind I was dedicated and had all the time...if only the weather cooperated...). Anyway, i should be up in the air at my choosing soon :-) |
 _________________ H-4 (1976) UP Saturn 147 & UP Axis 13
The Cloudbase Foundation
Learn to fly hang gliders (click here}
Torrey Hawks #208 |
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6Dasher
Joined: 17 Jun 2012 Posts: 31 Location: northern california
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:10 am Post subject: |
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hey guys ive been reading a lot of the posts and doing research. some terms and acronyms i'm a little confused on, perhaps someone could define for me:
kingspost
topless glider
bar pressure
PIO
AOA
aspect ratio
thank you. |
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flybop 3 thumbs up


Joined: 02 Apr 2010 Posts: 647 Location: Livingston, Montana
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Welcome aboard 6Dasher! As others have said, once bitten this hang gliding gets under your skin, in your blood, and will have you looking up at birds, analyizing every hill and walking into the wind with your arms spread out.
Good luck with your training and get some video to post.
As for the acronyms and terminology: Get Denise Pagen's book, "Hang Gliding Training Manual".
Be careful when watching videos online. There are many good ones, but there are plenty that show bad technique.
If you are from Nor Cal there is one more acronym that you need to be aware of... NOMAN. _________________ What a beautiful day! Let's go jump off a mountain!!!
H3 FL, CL, RLF, FSL, TUR |
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red 3 thumbs up


Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 2744 Location: Utah, USA . . . . . . . . . . . . . Sol III
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:36 am Post subject: New to this... and Wow! |
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| 6Dasher wrote: |
hey guys ive been reading a lot of the posts and doing research. some terms and acronyms i'm a little confused on, perhaps someone could define for me:
kingspost
topless glider
bar pressure
PIO
AOA
aspect ratio
thank you. |
6Dasher,
Kingpost is the pole in the center of the glider, on top. Cables from the top support the wings when not flying.
Topless means no kingpost. Less drag, but a heavier airframe instead.
Bar pressure is the glider pushing back, when you hold the nose down to fly fast. The glider wants to return to normal flying speed. It's a feature of the automatic dive recovery system, but you might want less bar pressure, when flying fast over long distances.
PIO is Pilot Induced Oscillation, usually meaning the pilot over-controls an advanced glider. The advanced gliders need a lighter touch, and the more you fight for control, the worse it gets.
AOA is Angle Of Attack, the angle that the wing strikes the air. It refers to nose-up and nose-down attitudes. On launch, high AoA means you can't run fast, and low AoA means you can't run at all.
Aspect Ratio is the wingspan, divided by the chord (the distance between leading edge and trailing edge). High aspect ratio means fast and efficient, but maybe hard to steer or land well, especially in turbulence. Low aspect ratio means (generally) more drag, but easy handling. Beginner gliders have low AR (long center ribs), for slow flying and easy handling.
 _________________ Cheers,
........Red.........................
Pssst! New pilot? Free advice, maybe worth the price,
http://www.xmission.com/~red/
H4, Moyes X2, Falcon Tandem, HES Tracer, Quantum
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6Dasher
Joined: 17 Jun 2012 Posts: 31 Location: northern california
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:38 am Post subject: |
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noman???
I just still can't even believe that I was not aware of what hang gliding really is...I thought it was maybe 30 second long glides or something, u know like what you see the beginners doing on the bunny hill. The term "hang-gliding" is deceptive. looks more to me like "hang-flying like an eagle". I can't wait! I havent been excited to try out something new like this for quite some time....if ever. |
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DBrose 2 thumbs up


Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 732 Location: Humboldt
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:43 am Post subject: |
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stick with it, be warned it will take up lot of time and money.
a future candidate for AIDS (Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome)
its a superhuman sport! _________________ Flying is for the birds |
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Fletcher 3 thumbs up

Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 351
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:25 am Post subject: |
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You've all been OWNED !!!!!!
Look at his name Dasher?
His friends are named things like Donner and Rudolph.
This dude has been flying every Christmas, and doing some awesome XC too! |
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6Dasher
Joined: 17 Jun 2012 Posts: 31 Location: northern california
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| Fletcher wrote: |
You've all been OWNED !!!!!!
Look at his name Dasher?
His friends are named things like Donner and Rudolph.
This dude has been flying every Christmas, and doing some awesome XC too! |
6dasher is a rifle caliber... mostly used by competition shooters and well known for it's inherent long range accuracy. another hobby of mine is I also do very long range target shooting and competition. sadly im not santa.....
also what does xc stand for... some sort of long distance flying? |
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Paul H 2 thumbs up


Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 2184 Location: Reno, NV
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:44 am Post subject: |
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XC = Cross Country
It's flying from one place to another instead of just gliding down to a LZ that's near your takeoff point. _________________ Paul H
U2 160 USHPA # 51178 KE7VOG
H4, FL, AT, PL, FSL, RLF, TUR, X-C, CL, AWCL, 360, HA,
USN ret. A & P mechanic |
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liftlover 3 thumbs up


Joined: 28 May 2010 Posts: 304 Location: Bay Area
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Where are your lessons going to be at I live right by ed levin. I go there to drink my coffee every morning and watch to newbees fly. Hope to see you out there soon.
Bob  _________________ See ya up there!
First flight 6/72-free flight standard 17'. free flight Sierra, 1,2,& 3. wills wing swallowtail, quicksilver 3, icaro relax, wills wing U2, h4 then back to h4 now. with my head in the clouds. |
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6Dasher
Joined: 17 Jun 2012 Posts: 31 Location: northern california
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:45 am Post subject: |
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hi bob
im in the sacramento area. the place im going is actually in sloughhouse (south of sacramento) and is called sac hang gliding. the owner is george hamilton who also does the instruction i believe. he is apparently a class 5 rated instructor (from what i have read this is the highest possible rating) I spoke to him personally several times on the phone and I am paid for my first 5 lessons and my first will be on wednesday if my schedule allows (i work a lot and my work schedule is unpredictable at best). He is also a wills wing and north wing dealer, so everything seems as if this is a good place to start learning. |
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J Fritsche 3 thumbs up


Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 474 Location: Lompoc, CA ("central coast")
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard a million people state how awesome HGing must be and how they'd love to do it. After learning the amount of money, effort, and time involved, a few of those people have taken a lesson. A very few of those who have taken a lesson immediately knew that it was something they just had to do and ultimately became solid solo pilots. You sound like one of the few that will do whatever it takes to do this thing.
Be forewarned that learning to fly via foot-launched training hill instruction in the western US is probably the longest, hardest, most frustrating, most physically demanding, and most expensive way to learn.
Really get out there and meet and drive for the flying community around you. You'll learn a lot and get a lot of guidance and mentoring that will benefit you greatly once you get to H2, and you'll get leads on used equipment.
Now go for it! Good luck! _________________ Saturn 147, Predator 142 |
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