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Manta_Dreaming
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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"Lenami Godinez, who was trying the sport for the first time on popular Mount Woodside in the Fraser Valley, apparently fell to her death just moments after takeoff.
Godinez and her Canadian boyfriend had hired a professional pilot to take her up in tandem but she somehow came loose from the harness and fell hundreds of metres."
Terrible.
Condolences to her family and friends.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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How? was she not hooked in? or was the harness too big? WTF! nobody should die on a rotine flight, but I know that it happens.
"Godinez and her Canadian boyfriend had hired a professional pilot to take her up in tandem but she somehow came loose from the harness and fell hundreds of metres"
still, it don't seem right, legloops! 
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krizz9
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Terrible. If anyone has any more info I'd like to know what went wrong.
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michael170
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Terrible. If anyone has any more info I'd like to know what went wrong. |
Gross negligence. Utter incompetence. |
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Darbbb
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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How terrible....condolences to her family.
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Does it get any worse?
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Manta_Dreaming
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Does it get any worse?
Heartbreaking. |
If it happened in the US, I'm sure it would adversely affect our USHGPA insurance.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| Manta_Dreaming wrote: |
| numbnuts wrote: |
Does it get any worse?
Heartbreaking. |
If it happened in the US, I'm sure it would adversely affect our USHGPA insurance. |
Yeah! No doubt, it would be the end of it !
Heads up, stay safe we are all in this together.
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tom emery
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: Condolences |
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| Tragic. My heart goes out to her family. Does anyone have contact information to send a condolence card? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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I don't understand how this could happen.
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NMERider
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't understand how this could happen. |
It wasn't entirely clear to me but from listening to the witness, it sounded as if her caribiner disconnected to the hang strap. If she really held on to the pilot as long as it seemed I wonder whether he had time to dive toward treetops which may have given her better odds of surviving. I wonder if and when we will get all the facts.
Does anyone recall the incident in Brazil a few years ago where that tandem instructor launched with himself unhooked? He threw his reserve and the American tourist not only got an exciting ride into the trees but he still wanted the full flight that he'd paid for. |
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krizz9
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| NMERider wrote: |
| Jason wrote: |
| I don't understand how this could happen. |
It wasn't entirely clear to me but from listening to the witness, it sounded as if her caribiner disconnected to the hang strap. |
Makes me wonder why we have a backup hangstrap but only one caribiner. I haven't heard of anyones hang strap breaking, so as unlikely as that would be we still use the backup, so why wouldn't it be the same for the caribiner? 
Then again, I guess in that case it may come down to someone wearing a PFD while swimming and backup rubber ducky floaties on their arms. How much headache are you willing to go through for that wee bit of extra safety?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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I may be wrong, but I don't think there has ever been steel locking carabiner that broke when being used to connect a harness to a hang glider. (There are people who use an additional link between the harness and the reserve parachute.)
We'll have to wait for further reports, but it sounds like the most likely cause of this accident was the same thing that is usually the cause: at launch, the passenger's carabiner was not properly connected to the hang strap.
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ChattaroyMan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Makes me wonder why we have a backup hangstrap but only one caribiner. I haven't heard of anyones hang strap breaking, so as unlikely as that would be we still use the backup, so why wouldn't it be the same for the caribiner? |
I used to always fly with 2 carabiners - then I heard one could interfere with the other. I don't recall the source of this information.
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krizz9
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| We'll have to wait for further reports, but it sounds like the most likely cause of this accident was the same thing that is usually the cause: at launch, the passenger's carabiner was not properly connected to the hang strap. |
So sad, it seems like that is always the cause of accidents. If you can only check one thing before you take off, I'd think being properly secured to the hang glider would be it. In this case though that wouldn't be the responsibility of the student, but the instructor. You're right though, until more info comes out I don't want to point fingers at anyone.
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NMERider
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| ....(There are people who use an additional link between the harness and the reserve parachute.)... |
The additional link may cause issues w/ the stitching on both bridles if the glider pulls the caribiner off in a third direction. This may cause a peeling force on the stitching. It may be safer to use a loop of climbing rope that is a little longer than the caribiner to avoid this issue.
On another note, I feel really bad for that tandem pilot. Since I don't have the facts I won't speculate but I would not want to be in his shoes no matter what the case. |
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