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Jatay 3 thumbs up

Joined: 17 Dec 2011 Posts: 43 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: Harness Choice |
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What is your first choice for a harness at the H-2 or Beginner level?
Did you consider a used harness with a proper fit? |
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Hangskier 3 thumbs up


Joined: 10 Jan 2011 Posts: 852 Location: Eastern NC, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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High Energy has been making harnesses for years and that's what I use. A good harness will last years. A HE harness is custom made to your dimensions. Sewing harnesses, chutes, and those flying parachute things is Betty's full time job, and mods can be done to your harness later. If you want to go a little cheaper there is the Blue Sky harnesses. Don't know very much about them other than less expensive. I think Steve sews them himself during down time of instructing.
Then there is the question of new or used, cocoon or pod, front chute or side chute, then options like radio pocket, tow loops, ect.
Many used harnesses have a lot of life left is the person got out of the sport or got a different harness.
A tip: if buying new, talk to someone that has that harness and find out the cut for that brand. For example: Betty at High Energy makes the pods exactly to the measurements she gets and there is no extra room. So my 2nd pod I added a little extra room in the dimensions that I gave.
Good luck on your purchase. _________________ Aspiring Pilot for LIfe and Focused
1st Flight/Solo Nov 1993 |
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CAL 3 thumbs up


Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 3464 Location: OGDEN, UT
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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high energy tracer, or ww Z5 both are great for beginer on up _________________ Explore nature from the eyes of an Eagle |
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remmoore 3 thumbs up


Joined: 24 Jul 2008 Posts: 1311
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Consider getting a new or usd CG-1000. I bought one immediately after I stopped using my instructor's training harness, and enjoyed it for many years.
There are a few good reasons, IMO, for making this your first harness. First, is the single-point suspension; there are no additional lines to worry about during the hook-in process. Hooking in and hang check are very easy.
Second, the upright position in this harness is really natural and easy to attain. No cleats to release, no hefting yourself upright - going upright simply happens if you stop pushing on the footbar. Also, the upright angle postion is by far the best of all the single-suspension harnesses.
Lastly, this harness is of excellent construction, and much more streamlined than other beginner/intermediate harness - which means you can enjoy it as an advanced pilot, too. You may simply fly it for many years until it wears out, like I did.
RM |
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AIRTHUG 3 thumbs up


Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 6159 Location: Point of the Mountain, Draper, UT
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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A cocoon harness. Comfy for hours on end, and nothing is easier to land in
I've been flying since I was 4, and fly almost every day in the summer... and I still fly in a Cocoon  _________________ Ryan Voight
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CAL 3 thumbs up


Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 3464 Location: OGDEN, UT
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| AIRTHUG wrote: |
A cocoon harness. Comfy for hours on end, and nothing is easier to land in
I've been flying since I was 4, and fly almost every day in the summer... and I still fly in a Cocoon  |
you will always fly in a Cocoon but you will soon be flying a WW Covert as well can't wait to see you fly with it you your T2C and your Covert will make an awesome threesome  _________________ Explore nature from the eyes of an Eagle |
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Hangskier 3 thumbs up


Joined: 10 Jan 2011 Posts: 852 Location: Eastern NC, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Each type of harness has pros. You need to consider what type of flying you think you will be doing. Some pros are:
Cocoon: good for foot launch, top landing, cooler
Pod: xc, less drag, stowage of xc bag and water, warmer
 _________________ Aspiring Pilot for LIfe and Focused
1st Flight/Solo Nov 1993 |
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CAL 3 thumbs up


Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 3464 Location: OGDEN, UT
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Hangskier wrote: |
Each type of harness has pros. You need to consider what type of flying you think you will be doing. Some pros are:
Cocoon: good for foot launch, top landing, cooler
Pod: xc, less drag, stowage of xc bag and water, warmer
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very good point ! i am glad i have a pod to keep me warm in the winter and at high altitudes _________________ Explore nature from the eyes of an Eagle |
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flyingdawg 3 thumbs up

Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 109 Location: Sandia Park, NM
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| I own both a High Energy pod and a CG 1000. Can't go wrong with either but my vote is for the CG 1000 for ultimate comfort, quality, ease of use including landing, and it is an excellent value. Unless you become a serious competitor at the national or international level I can't imagine why you would ever need to buy another harness unless you finally just wore it out. The cocoon advocates really seem to like them but they have very limited storage space and they always fail to mention that, at least sometimes, pilots seem to have a really hard time finding that boot after launch. Makes for some interesting video as they keep kicking in the air trying to find that harness |
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AIRTHUG 3 thumbs up


Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 6159 Location: Point of the Mountain, Draper, UT
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:36 am Post subject: |
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New cocoons have a storage container that runs from below the parachute to the bottom of the boot. I have no trouble fitting all of my T2 bags in there.
Also, how easy/difficult the boot is depends on design. A curved foot-bar in the boot makes things a lot easier because it holds the boot open. Also, a curved boot stays open better than a square boot. And the depth has an effect, too- the deeper the boot generally the tougher to get in.
You can get whatever you like- I might suggest finding friends that have each type and hanging in theirs to get a better idea of what you like. There are lots of good options out there, but the choice is highly personal... _________________ Ryan Voight
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TheNewGuy 3 thumbs up

Joined: 22 Dec 2011 Posts: 52 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| flyingdawg wrote: |
| I own both a High Energy pod and a CG 1000. Can't go wrong with either but my vote is for the CG 1000 for ultimate comfort, quality, ease of use including landing, and it is an excellent value. Unless you become a serious competitor at the national or international level I can't imagine why you would ever need to buy another harness unless you finally just wore it out. The cocoon advocates really seem to like them but they have very limited storage space and they always fail to mention that, at least sometimes, pilots seem to have a really hard time finding that boot after launch. Makes for some interesting video as they keep kicking in the air trying to find that harness |
Yep, as a new H2 myself, and at he same stage of many of the other plots who began training last year I have witnessed the new pilots have more trouble with a cocoon more then with a pod. A pod is much more natural. I practiced in the high tech simulator(hanging from a rafter with a ladder in front to replicate the a frame) with lots of different harness's. And I ended up buying a used CG1000. The "angle of dangle" is so natural! When you put your feet in it goes prone...take then out...it goes up right! Can't beat it! SOOOOO much easier then using a cord and cleat to change your angle of dangle... and I read all over the web that single suspension harness can leave you more prone when landing then a training harness and it can take some time getting used to....I found the cg 1000 to make me just as upright as my trainer..and more then the Z3 pod I was borrowing...because I couldn't handle the cords and cleat in the air..so I ended up setting the angle of dangle on the ground at a mid point between prone and upright... with the cg1000 I no longer have to do that.
One point to remeber...if you are towing with a single suspension you might want to add a head down limiter..because when you get near to being above the winch it will pull you more and more head down untill you are standing on your head! And it can be scary..but your insructor can help with that if needed.
I LOVE MY CG1000!
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flycenterofgravity 3 thumbs up


Joined: 09 Nov 2010 Posts: 3 Location: New York
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| I am also making cocoons so if you do decide to buy a cocoon over a pod I can still make it for you. I would recommend a pod personally for a first harness because cocoons look really awkward to launch in, but I have not flown in a cocoon. The CG-1000 is perfect for new students and it will last you through to more advanced flying as well. The price is great considering the other comparable brands and it will last you around twenty years (according to most people who have one). |
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Windlord 3 thumbs up


Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 4709 Location: Montana
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Cocoon= no zippers to mess with. Like others have said, just depends on what kind of flying you're going to be doing. _________________ H-4 (1976) UP Saturn 147 & UP Axis 13
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blindrodie 3 thumbs up

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Posts: 3762 Location: Roeland Park, KS
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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I struggled for YEARS with used harnesses of all types. I would recommend that whatever you start with, get it custom built OR if a used one-adjusted to fit your body by a Pro.
You will be more comfortable and most important, safer in a harness that fits you.
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AIRTHUG 3 thumbs up


Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 6159 Location: Point of the Mountain, Draper, UT
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| flycenterofgravity wrote: |
| I am also making cocoons so if you do decide to buy a cocoon over a pod I can still make it for you. I would recommend a pod personally for a first harness because cocoons look really awkward to launch in, but I have not flown in a cocoon. |
I'm sorry, but how can you accurately speak to the pro's or con's of a genre of harness you haven't *ever* flown?
This is even more strange when you say you make them. I've never flown a CG-1000... How well do you think I could make one?
I stick with my previous advice- try on all of your friend's harnesses and see what genre suites YOU best... Then you can figure out which brand/model meets your needs best  _________________ Ryan Voight
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Darbbb 2 thumbs up


Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 857 Location: Western Maryland
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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The word according to Dennis Pagen:
"Because cocoon harnesses are more difficult to run with and to climb into after launch, we recommend they not be used by pilots with less than novice skills. In fact, we recommend only pod harnesses once you have acquired the skills to fly prone and fly high. Pods afford more freedom and comfort than any other harness type in all phases of flight."
FYI.
BB _________________ H2
WW Eagle 180 |
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zamuro 1 thumbs up


Joined: 29 Feb 2008 Posts: 572 Location: New York
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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I may have had the wrong cocoon but when I switched to a pod (Raymond, similar to CG 1000) I found the pod a lot easier to get in or out.
I had problens sometimes finding the boot with the coccon. I could also run better (launch or landing) with the pod. |
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otterflogger
Joined: 12 Jul 2012 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| does anyone have an opinion on the new cg harness? |
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flyingdawg 3 thumbs up

Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 109 Location: Sandia Park, NM
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| See my opinions above. Highly recommended. |
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paulroys
Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 5 Location: Missoula, MT
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| A Z5 of the like are great. Just get something that fits you well, is comfortable, and is easy to use.... you don't want to be distracted when coming in to land in a bit of turbulence. Used is a good option. |
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