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HangDog
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 Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:59 am Post subject: |
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yeah because the republican congress kept denying him on things he wanted to do to make things better (4 separate times) and then took their vocations instead of making decisions to support him! and it was all simply to make him look bad man! it's BS and the reps need to stop playing these childish candy games and start thinking about whats good for the country and economy!.
What started all this crap was back in the first war *Desert Storm* way back. The money spent from that day on til Bush Jr left office was the highest this nation ever spent on one thing. That right there, the spending they spent on all those wars put together is what got us where we are *Economically* NOT some black guy who came into a rats nest!! IT WOULDN'T MATTER WHO WAS IN OFFICE REP OR DEM,. no one man, Congress or anyone else would be able to straighten this mess out in 3 years! IT CAN'T BE DONE! and never will be done that way in that short of time trying to recover a country from the worst president in history who just about destroyed it!
One major thing Obama has done which again the Reps can't stand is the fact he got the asshole who killed all us Americans in 911. Did you not see on national news during one of Bush's speeches when asked about Bin Laden he stated clearly: *He is no more a concern of mine*
Now I bet that set really well with the families he was suppose to avenge after the attacks!.
He stopped going after Laden cause this country was running out of money to keep it going so then he decided to go after Saddam which he knew he could get because at that time Saddam was not hiding so bush didn't have to spend a lot to get this guy... then used it as an excuse for re-election purposes to make himself look good for the upcoming elections.
All the while, Saddam had NOTHING to do with 911.
Did you know back when Bin Laden's Son was getting married that the entire Bush family was there at their wedding and stayed there for 2 months? The Bush's use to be friends with these people before desert storm ever happened! It's true! Then Saddam started the s*** with the oil and the USA so then we decided to strike. That's all it was with Saddam was money and oil and that's it.
On the other hand, Something went wrong with the Bush's and Bin-Laden , a deal went very wrong between the families and 911 was a result of that deal going bad as a way of Bin laden to get even, that's basically what happened in a nut shell. I know this because back in the military I've seen some pretty incriminating black and white documents that I still can't talk about today. It's all true folks. I could write a book about this and maybe one day I will but for now this is all I'm saying.
Just remember, no man could of ever got this country back on track the way it was left, especially in only three years. It just can't be done. The s*** rolls down hill right? well it's just now getting to the bottom of the Bush hill from over 8 years ago.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Jason, et al, while I admit to being disappointed with some of President Obama's policies, especially the ones that have been carried over from the Dubya years, there is no comparison between the two men in terms of their personalities and their upbringing. Dubya came from a wealthy family with political connections and was given a pass all his life, whereas, Barack Obama was raised as a child of the middle-class who has earned his way in this world. He's the epitome of the American Dream and that background alone makes him a better choice for my vote.
JR
BTW, BBJCaptain (oops), you can take great pride it whatever blows up your skirt, but at the end of the day, I don't think your vote for the Mitt/Newt alternative will be enough to carry the day.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| The fact that HGs aren't aircraft should not mean we don't care. Our sailplane friends (me) could still be affected. And as someonealready quoted/paraphrased, the old saying, ... "then they came for me, and no one was left..." |
There is no detailed legislation at this point- only a sketch as part of a budget proposal; still, that sketch is clear in intent: it is designed for jet traffic interacting in controlled airspace. It would only effect a jet powered sailplane that was flying out of a commercial airport or that required air traffic control. If that's you, you should be concerned. Suggesting that anyone else - balloonists, hangglider pilots, some dude with a jet powered mosquito harness flying out of a cow pasture - will be directly effected is fantasy.
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BBJCaptain
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| JR wrote: |
BTW, BJCaptain, you can take great pride it whatever blows up your skirt, but at the end of the day, I don't think your vote for the Mitt/Newt alternative will be enough to carry the day. |
How childish!!!! just like any loony leftest lib.....always leaving something out 
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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This fighting between the "left" and the "right" is exactly what "they" want.
If your an Obama supporter, furious about the GOP....
or if you are a GOP supporter furious about Obama...
YOURE THE PROBLEM
Its a distraction, so you will vote for the same team again. That team being government/corporations in the same bed.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Wrong thread and section guys!
Vote to bury... 
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Wrong thread and section guys!
Vote to bury...
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agreed. back to business at hand instead of distractions.
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Jatay
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| There is no way the proposed fee will be applied to free-flight. none.
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ChattaroyMan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Obama is a KNOWN evil. At least if you choose the OTHER corporate puppet they may not do as much damage as Obama has. Obama has already proven he is more than willing to do serious damage and lock us up forever. |
Fear tactic? "Obama is a KNOWN evil." Sounds like a fear tactic to me. "Lock us up forever." - another fear tactic. Our prisons are overcrowded as it is. I sure don't see new ones being built for the rest of us. Wasn't it good old Frank Zappa who said/sang that the ugliest part of one's body is one's mind? And John Lennon "You say you want a revolution ... You better free your mind instead."
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Obama is a KNOWN evil is with regards to his record of destroying our civil liberties. This isnt a fear tactic, its already happened. Indefinite detention was codified into law by Obama in the NDAA. Are you not aware of the implications? Obama may now allege im a terrorist (with no proof), have me picked up on the newly defined battleground called the united states of america, whisk me away to a secret military prison, with no access to attorneys ever and forever.
Again, its not a fear tactic, he's ALREADY done it. I cant scare you out of electing him before he did these things... he already has. Its TOO LATE for that now.
Now that we know Obama is more than willing to shred the Bill of Rights, I cant imagine anyone with good conscience voting for him again. The question is, will the GOP candidates do the same. The likely answer is YES. With exception of the one guy, and only guy who speaks directly against these laws and the destruction of the bill of rights.
The establishment has always scared voters into voting for their top funded candidates. The fear tactic is that you will throw away your vote. Its always worked, it will likely always work, they control the media. But americans are throwing away their votes, on the exact same big money puppet every election, with a new label. If you really want to free your mind, stop listening to left wing media and right wing media... the truth is they are both big money media on the same team.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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ChattaroyMan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| sg wrote: |
Obama is a KNOWN evil is with regards to his record of destroying our civil liberties. This isnt a fear tactic, its already happened. Indefinite detention was codified into law by Obama in the NDAA. Are you not aware of the implications? Obama may now allege im a terrorist (with no proof), have me picked up on the newly defined battleground called the united states of america, whisk me away to a secret military prison, with no access to attorneys ever and forever.
Again, its not a fear tactic, he's ALREADY done it. I cant scare you out of electing him before he did these things... he already has. Its TOO LATE for that now.
Now that we know Obama is more than willing to shred the Bill of Rights, I cant imagine anyone with good conscience voting for him again. The question is, will the GOP candidates do the same. The likely answer is YES. With exception of the one guy, and only guy who speaks directly against these laws and the destruction of the bill of rights.
The establishment has always scared voters into voting for their top funded candidates. The fear tactic is that you will throw away your vote. Its always worked, it will likely always work, they control the media. But americans are throwing away their votes, on the exact same big money puppet every election, with a new label. If you really want to free your mind, stop listening to left wing media and right wing media... the truth is they are both big money media on the same team. |
OK - I'll call it a scare tactic then - my cilvil liberties have not been touched. I have the same freedoms I had yesterday (if not more since I have more places to fly now than a year ago :-). I'm pretty darn sure no one's outside my door waiting to whisk me away (another scare tactic). And, I don't listen to any left wing OR right wing media. We got rid of our TV a couple of years ago. When I drive to work I listen to my own thoughts - no music - no radio. As such, I'm a happier camper now. When I do watch things online I watch the event and not the commentary. Sure Big Money gets this and gets that. Is Small Money going to get it? That's the way things are. The way things go. When it comes to votes - the only vote thrown away is a vote not cast. We pick who we feel is the better candidate (at least I do). I don't give a rip about what jacket they wear. I care about their policies (and mostly environmental). Governments come and go. The planet endures (for most of another 5 billion years hopefully). And what's the "establishment" anyway? We are the USA - collectively. The only way things get done for the better is when we do them and set an example. Ranting and raving and being suspicious of one another doesn't cut it. I'm not afraid of the government. I don't think we're on the best track but we could be on a lot worse one. The way I look at things is mostly via basic facts. We have over 300 million people in our country. Most of us abide by laws and live peacefully - even with a mix of race and cultures. That's pretty darn admirable. A few too many of us do do things in our own best interest and stick it to others when we can but they are not in the majority. What I'm getting to is - it is better to 'chill out'. Things are not that bad. As Obama has said, we have more things alike than we have different between us. In the State of the Union Address (which I watched on YouTube without commentary) I was mostly impressed with how Obama compared how military personnel put aside their differences and get-r-done --- strongly implying that Congress needs to take the hint. I also felt that he wasn't singling out the Republicans - he meant both sides of the isle. I like what he had to say for the most part (excepting the education stuff). I tend to think there's good in most people and that they are trying to do their best --- fearing others is a waste of time. I likely have no more than 30 years left on this planet and I'm not going to waste them by being boogie-manned.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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I would bet they are talking about commercial flights.
You can't tax a flight that is not being paid for.
You guys are funny!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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They are talking about aircraft that use ATC services, something we don't.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| If these were to go into effect, as written, how would it be enforced?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:20 am Post subject: |
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How about the government pay me $100 per flight to promote sustainable
renewable energy?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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OK - I'll call it a scare tactic then - my cilvil liberties have not been touched. |
We can just stop right there on your very first sentence which is patently false.
Are you seriously going to sit there and claim that the Patriot Act and the NDAA didnt touch your civil liberties one tiny bit???? 
Do you even know what these laws state? VERY hard to believe you have read them.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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The establishment has always scared voters into voting for their top funded candidates. The fear tactic is that you will throw away your vote. Its always worked, it will likely always work, they control the media. But americans are throwing away their votes, on the exact same big money puppet every election, with a new label. If you really want to free your mind, stop listening to left wing media and right wing media... the truth is they are both big money media on the same team. |
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Here are some fun facts from a week ago which has been pretty typical.
CNN's Post Debate coverage name drops:
Romney....87 times
Gingrich....82 times
Santorum..76 times
Ron Paul....1 time
CNN's Debate Winner Poll:
Paul........42%
Romney..29%
Gingrich..18%
Santorum12%
Transcript http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/19/acd.01.html
I no longer watch CNN, FOX, MSNBC as news outlets. They are comedy stations in this household.
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