JJ I am surprised that you are 50!!!!! I thought 40 at the most. As to your comment didn't you make a series of choices since 17 that lead you to your current state? I have a deductible as well what is the deal in picking up the first 2-3k of medical expenses per year? What do you pay for food or rent in a year? Why via taxes should i subsidized your choice of lifestyle? You are a very smart guy and could have done many things so i assume that you do what you do out of the choices and preferences you made over the years.
The white hair isn't a giveaway?
My deductible before the Massachusetts law came in was $10K. It's much more reasonable now. Series of choices? I suppose so. I decided to be self-employed. I'm just not that impressed with a system that says that if you want to be able to purchase health insurance, you have to be an employee of a big company. _________________ H4 + various skills (only foot-launch so far)
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It's just one of those weird things that the most advanced nation that has ever existed on this earth is inexplicably incapable of doing.
Of whom do you write?
The only country that ever sent people to the mooooooooon! _________________ H4 + various skills (only foot-launch so far)
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Food is also essential for sustaining life. Why subject it to the greed of the corporate profit motive? Let's declare food a right. It's just not fair that some cigar-smoking fat cat profits every time I buy a sandwich or a drink. The government should run the food industry. I demand a single-payer food system. _________________ H4
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In your world view, how would children born with abnormalities that will forever prevent them from working be treated?
With understanding and compassion. I don't attribute huge deficient spending to children with disabilities and the defenseless should always be taken care of.
But going back to the white haired but youthful looking JJ, you made a choice to become self employeed and I assume you pass on the costs for your work in your prices and then would included your health care. If I buy your services/goods I am funding your health care ....by choice! If you pass the cost to me by taking my income via taxes that is NOT by choice. And please its not only big companies that provide health care. I haven't seen the latest breakdown but if you eliminate unemployed and under 26 and illegal imigrants the uninsured "gap" is not as big as you think. The problem becomes more of of driving down the costs and less of who is not insured.
Now rule one in driving down costs in increase competition. I work for a small company and in NH we only have three insurance companies that will write policy for a company of our size. But if we could shop nationwide then we could develop more options and find better deals.
Rule two is duplication and unneccessary repeating tests, the biggest contributor to raising health care costs is technology. Technology saves lives but I can't tell you how many unneccessary repeat test i went thru in my medical history. Send the damn results to providers via the web and stop having local tests for convienence.
Rule three is cost of medication, world wide competition will drive down these prices and yes the Pharma's don't want that but too bad. i am a capitalist and i want companies to make profits but make those profits by doing the best job for the lowest price or i will sic wal mart on your ass.
Dennis _________________ Organ Donation Saves Lives
In your world view, how would children born with abnormalities that will forever prevent them from working be treated?
With understanding and compassion. I don't attribute huge deficient spending to children with disabilities and the defenseless should always be taken care of.
But going back to the white haired but youthful looking JJ, you made a choice to become self employeed and I assume you pass on the costs for your work in your prices and then would included your health care. If I buy your services/goods I am funding your health care ....by choice! If you pass the cost to me by taking my income via taxes that is NOT by choice. And please its not only big companies that provide health care. I haven't seen the latest breakdown but if you eliminate unemployed and under 26 and illegal imigrants the uninsured "gap" is not as big as you think. The problem becomes more of of driving down the costs and less of who is not insured.
Now rule one in driving down costs in increase competition. I work for a small company and in NH we only have three insurance companies that will write policy for a company of our size. But if we could shop nationwide then we could develop more options and find better deals.
Rule two is duplication and unneccessary repeating tests, the biggest contributor to raising health care costs is technology. Technology saves lives but I can't tell you how many unneccessary repeat test i went thru in my medical history. Send the damn results to providers via the web and stop having local tests for convienence.
Rule three is cost of medication, world wide competition will drive down these prices and yes the Pharma's don't want that but too bad. i am a capitalist and i want companies to make profits but make those profits by doing the best job for the lowest price or i will sic wal mart on your ass.
Dennis
Understanding and compassion isn't going to pay children's medical bills, particularly the kind you and your ilk seem to practice. Currently, it's estimated that 50 million Americans are without health insurance and the number is rising quickly. Of course, considering the income inequality in our country and the number of people living below the poverty line, it's no surprise that there are so many uninsured.
It's also no surprise that your heart muscles hardened, I'm just surprised you had any in the first place.
Understanding and compassion isn't going to pay children's medical bills, particularly the kind you and your ilk seem to practice. Currently, it's estimated that 50 million Americans are without health insurance and the number is rising quickly. Of course, considering the income inequality in our country and the number of people living below the poverty line, it's no surprise that there are so many uninsured.
It's no surprise that your heart muscles hardened, I'm just surprised you had any in the first place.
Wow, Because someones disagrees with you they have a hard heart, and he and his "ilk" are the cause of the problem? Why don't you and your "ilk" start your own fund so that those willing to pay so much extra in taxes can then pay for the healthcare of those others in your own group. Put your money where your mouth is. Why don't you sponsor someone elses healthcare costs? It's up to you, you can use your money for whatever you want, but for you to attack someone because they believe people are responsible for themselves.....Seems like you may have the hard heart.
No JJ you need to get out more, and read a bit about all those industrialize rich nations about to go bankrupt.
What is wrong with earning your way? It seems to be a foreign concept with a few. I already took care of the unemployed and young adult living at home with a few policy changes in my previous post. There are two very large problems with health care. One is raising costs of treatment itself and the insurance to cover. Two is the increasing amounts of freeloaders on the system. The freeloader part is over. Allowing insurance companies to compete over state lines will help check some of the increase in cost.
Dennis
Holy s***!
This is exactly the words I heard being Regurgitated by one of those
sold out talking heads in Fox News the other day.
Tsk, Tsk .........somebody is plagiarising from Fox News. _________________ Just Another Earthbound Misfit
~ It's About Being Able to Fly ~ ____________________________________________________
This is not a Hang Glider. It's a bunch of Hang Glider parts flying in a tight formation!
I'd like to just take a moment to point out that the most socialized nations, with free education, free healthcare, etc, are NOT the ones going broke. They've proved that it can work, and they're taxes aren't substantially higher than ours,
There are dozens more, but I don't feel like typing anymore.
So Dennis, I know you're never going to change your mind, but how do you so easily dismiss out of hand that public healthcare can work? These countries have all been making it work for decades, and everyone of them has less debt than we do.
On the tax front, I currently lose 31.5% of my income to taxes before I take home a penny, and then I pay 10% on every dollar I spend. So I'm paying an effective 40% tax rate, which is the tax rate in most of the countries with free healthcare and education, and yet I'm getting neither.
Excellent post!
We are getting neither because over 60% of the money we all pay here
in the US in Taxes goes to fund the MILITARY EMPIRE -
The United Sates has become the inheritor of the old "SUN NEVER SETS ON OUR EMPIRE" motto.
Eisenhower warned all Americans, but we did not listen. _________________ Just Another Earthbound Misfit
~ It's About Being Able to Fly ~ ____________________________________________________
This is not a Hang Glider. It's a bunch of Hang Glider parts flying in a tight formation!
In your world view, how would children born with abnormalities that will forever prevent them from working be treated?
With understanding and compassion. I don't attribute huge deficient spending to children with disabilities and the defenseless should always be taken care of.
But going back to the white haired but youthful looking JJ, you made a choice to become self employeed and I assume you pass on the costs for your work in your prices and then would included your health care. If I buy your services/goods I am funding your health care ....by choice! If you pass the cost to me by taking my income via taxes that is NOT by choice. And please its not only big companies that provide health care. I haven't seen the latest breakdown but if you eliminate unemployed and under 26 and illegal imigrants the uninsured "gap" is not as big as you think. The problem becomes more of of driving down the costs and less of who is not insured.
Now rule one in driving down costs in increase competition. I work for a small company and in NH we only have three insurance companies that will write policy for a company of our size. But if we could shop nationwide then we could develop more options and find better deals.
Rule two is duplication and unneccessary repeating tests, the biggest contributor to raising health care costs is technology. Technology saves lives but I can't tell you how many unneccessary repeat test i went thru in my medical history. Send the damn results to providers via the web and stop having local tests for convienence.
Rule three is cost of medication, world wide competition will drive down these prices and yes the Pharma's don't want that but too bad. i am a capitalist and i want companies to make profits but make those profits by doing the best job for the lowest price or i will sic wal mart on your ass.
Dennis
Understanding and compassion isn't going to pay children's medical bills, particularly the kind you and your ilk seem to practice. Currently, it's estimated that 50 million Americans are without health insurance and the number is rising quickly. Of course, considering the income inequality in our country and the number of people living below the poverty line, it's no surprise that there are so many uninsured.
It's also no surprise that your heart muscles hardened, I'm just surprised you had any in the first place.
Of that 50 million JR how many art illegals, how many are on unemployment and how many are 26 and under. Because if you can read and understand i have already provided coverage for those in my posts.
Now when ever someone, me, included suggests that people ought to be responsible for themselves you come in with your misplaced sense of guilt and try to pawn it off on us. You have some misguided idea that people can be lazy, make bad choices again and again and take no responsibility and yet others are some how obligated to pay for them. That would be like giving an alcoholic a beer because he gets the shakes. I ask you the same question I asked another person on this thread...is there a limit to how much you would give in taxes? 25% 35% 55% 85%???
In regards to the disabled children comment I thought I clearly implied that I would expect the state to help cover the expenses, if you didn't read that into my compassion statement then let me be clear about it.
I don't appreciate the crack about my heart because its based on some twisted belief of yours that a person can only be a good person if he enables failure. So that because I refuse to enable the lazy and irresponsible that means i am not a good person. or anyone else for that matter.
In my world, people would get the message very early that they should do what they can not to burden their community, That in todays world you just can't bumble your way and then get some unskilled manufacturing job because they are gone. Today you need and are obligated to acquire skills or you will live a very troubled and unfullfilling life.
Go back and study the "hippie" movement and look at the facts, it tells a lot about people. In the beginning leading into the summer of love there was community and caring, then there came abuse of drugs and irresponsible sex and soon Haight-Ashbury went to hell in a hand basket. You idyllic life just doesn't scale with the general population.
Dennis _________________ Organ Donation Saves Lives
No JJ you need to get out more, and read a bit about all those industrialize rich nations about to go bankrupt.
What is wrong with earning your way? It seems to be a foreign concept with a few. I already took care of the unemployed and young adult living at home with a few policy changes in my previous post. There are two very large problems with health care. One is raising costs of treatment itself and the insurance to cover. Two is the increasing amounts of freeloaders on the system. The freeloader part is over. Allowing insurance companies to compete over state lines will help check some of the increase in cost.
Dennis
Holy s***!
This is exactly the words I heard being Regurgitated by one of those
sold out talking heads in Fox News the other day.
Tsk, Tsk .........somebody is plagiarising from Fox News.
I have said this before many times but I am glade you are watching something else then MSNBC and the NY Times.
Dennis _________________ Organ Donation Saves Lives
To bad we cant forgive Cain like we did Clinton who man handled a 19yr old intern
Oh well
Tax monster
1- clinton was consensual.....cain is accused of something else
2- cains tax plan essentially means that the rich will pay far less then the rest as a % of their income since he wishes to abolish the capital gains tax altogether
so while you and I would pay 9% of our income in taxes
they would pay 9% on like 1/3 of thier income since many at the top make over 2/3s of their money via capital gains
so i pay 9%......the ceo of Chase pays ~3%.........yea.....thats AWESOME..... _________________ TSA, DHS, NDAA and SOPA Seig Heil!
or put more simply
if you actually work for your money------WE WILL TAX IT
if you don't work for your money- YOU GET TO KEEP IT _________________ TSA, DHS, NDAA and SOPA Seig Heil!
To bad we cant forgive Cain like we did Clinton who man handled a 19yr old intern
Oh well
Tax monster
1- clinton was consensual.....cain is accused of something else
2- cains tax plan essentially means that the rich will pay far less then the rest as a % of their income since he wishes to abolish the capital gains tax altogether
so while you and I would pay 9% of our income in taxes
they would pay 9% on like 1/3 of thier income since many at the top make over 2/3s of their money via capital gains
so i pay 9%......the ceo of Chase pays ~3%.........yea.....thats AWESOME.....
You're complaining about the status quo while at the same time fighting to preserve it. Last I checked 9% of ten million is more that 9% of twenty thousand but my math may be wrong. This is what you liberals keep missing: a flat tax would result in rich people paying more, not less in taxes because all loopholes and deductions are eliminated. Isn't that what you want, for the rich to pay more? You think people actually pay the rates for their brackets? Why do you think people put their mansions on the company name? And the second thing you forget is that a low flat tax increases revenue, which is what taxes are supposed to be about. _________________ H4
U2 145
We are getting neither because over 60% of the money we all pay here
in the US in Taxes goes to fund the MILITARY EMPIRE -
The United Sates has become the inheritor of the old "SUN NEVER SETS ON OUR EMPIRE" motto.
Eisenhower warned all Americans, but we did not listen.
Thank God we are! http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/future-air-weapons/?pid=975&viewall=true _________________ Let me be a free man, free to travel, free to stop, free to work, free to trade where I choose, free to choose my own teachers, free to follow the religion of my fathers, free to talk, think and act for myself -- and I will obey every law or submit to the penalty.---- Chief Joseph, Washington, D.C. 1879
You're complaining about the status quo while at the same time fighting to preserve it.
- no im merely pointing out that this would be a GIANT tax break for the rich...opps im sorry "job creators"
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Last I checked 9% of ten million is more that 9% of twenty thousand but my math may be wrong.
thank you captain obvious.......
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This is what you liberals keep missing:
see picture below
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a flat tax would result in rich people paying more, not less in taxes because all loopholes and deductions are eliminated. Isn't that what you want, for the rich to pay more?
and a flat tax of ZERO on capital gains where the rich make the majority of their income does exactly the wrong thing
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You think people actually pay the rates for their brackets? Why do you think people put their mansions on the company name? And the second thing you forget is that a low flat tax increases revenue, which is what taxes are supposed to be about.
........Maybe if we could limit government to non lawyers who are in truth out for their own good either through monetary gain or the sense of power..........
Some are in it (law) for respectable reasons... such as those involved with the Innocent Project for one. And, I like the limit government idea when it comes to term limits - maybe 1 or 2 for a Senator and 2 to 4 for a Rep. Also limit their perks to what the average citizen has. People should be in government to serve - not to enrich themselves and/or be in the back pocket of campaign donors. _________________ U2 160 • Chattaroy, WA - USA
Jason, I did not mean to insult you by calling you a liberal— I assumed you were because of your wrong statement on taxes. And that is a very nice gun.
Here is the proof you've demanded, although it's one example of many to be found:
Between 1980 and 2007, the US cut tax rates on every form of income, the highest, the lowest and all those in the middle. The result was that the rich paid more, even if their tax levels were reduced. Let’s take the top 1 per cent of earners. Over this 27-year period, their contribution to the income tax collected in America doubled from 19.5 per cent to 40 per cent.
To bad we cant forgive Cain like we did Clinton who man handled a 19yr old intern
Oh well
Tax monster
1- clinton was consensual.....cain is accused of something else
2- cains tax plan essentially means that the rich will pay far less then the rest as a % of their income since he wishes to abolish the capital gains tax altogether
so while you and I would pay 9% of our income in taxes
they would pay 9% on like 1/3 of thier income since many at the top make over 2/3s of their money via capital gains
so i pay 9%......the ceo of Chase pays ~3%.........yea.....thats AWESOME.....
I'm staying out of the tax/healthcare debate, but just wanted to clarify that what Clinton was accused of was not consensual sex. Or rather, it was with Monica Lewinsky, but not with others
Jason, I did not mean to insult you by calling you a liberal— I assumed you were because of your wrong statement on taxes. And that is a very nice gun.
thats my WASR......one of several devices of "evil" i gladly own
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Here is the proof you've demanded, although it's one example of many to be found:
Between 1980 and 2007, the US cut tax rates on every form of income, the highest, the lowest and all those in the middle. The result was that the rich paid more, even if their tax levels were reduced. Let’s take the top 1 per cent of earners. Over this 27-year period, their contribution to the income tax collected in America doubled from 19.5 per cent to 40 per cent.
taking the top 1% as paying 40% of the taxes is great......until you look at what their share of the wealth is... _________________ TSA, DHS, NDAA and SOPA Seig Heil!
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