Yeah 10-4 on that Sky! I was just razzling and kidding Paul for his comment, It's all good brother.
As of now I just heard an official report on the news of 9 deaths total but that could increase as well.
In that picture it still looks like a huge space in there. You should at least see some darker colors representing his head's shadow in that vid pic. He had to of been leaning forward and must have just got slumped really far forward, thats the only thing I can figure out.
I saw a video earlier, one that was very gross, one that is not shown on the news of course and it showed one person with their right leg gone and that really hit me man just imagining what it must of been like. I then turned off the vid. _________________
Terrible accident, my heart goes out to all involved.
I know we should keep the speculation down to a minimum, and leave it to the professional accident investigators but..
Wouldn't you think most of these type of aircraft have a 5-point harness type seatbelts in them, keeping him from slumping so far forward he is out of site..?
Black Skies,
Shaddo
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Terrible accident, my heart goes out all involved.
I know we should keep the speculation down to a minimum, and leave it to the professional accident investigators but..
Wouldn't you think most of these type of aircraft have a 5-point harness type seatbelts in them, keeping him from slumping so far forward he is out of site..?
Black Skies,
Shaddo
Thank You!
Thats what I was talking about in my other post about the picture showing the plane without seeing any part of the pilot, it just didn't make sense but then It was said that i was smoking crack after my writeup so what the hell _________________
The P51 is my favorite plane of all time. The speed, manuverabilty, tail dragger, and the sound is so awsome...but the loss of life is just terrible.
I guess in any extreme sport we all know that every man dies but not every man really lives. _________________ Aspiring Pilot for LIfe and Focused
1st Flight/Solo Nov 1993
I normally do not make comments about accidents till some info is released to draw some reasonable cause for the accident.
From the last video you can see that the pull up and roll before impact was a VERY HIGH G pull up and role at close to 400mph!!!!
It would take both hands on the stick in order to PULL that much aft stick and apply right aileron at the same time. The role only
continued for about 2secs and until it was inverted. Then the role stopped and became just a loop with close to FULL aft stick in the
pull past the vertical to impact!!
I would bet at that speed the pull up and role would have been close to the 8G limit of the wing(although with the clipped wings it would be
a little higher limit) I am really surprised that it didn't have a structural failure at the inverted pull into the ground!!
If he had passed out due to High G load or heart attack at the initial pull up he would have went limp in the cockpit and continued a slow
climb to the vertical until the aircraft lost energy and then stalled and pitched down. If he had slumped over he would have pushed forward
on the stick and went into a - G dive.
If he had lost consciousness from the High G or heart attack after the pull, role and aileron release at inverted , he would of went
limp and the airplane would have flown inverted straight ahead with a slight inverted dive (he would of had to push forward on the stick to
maintain level flight while inverted)
Due to the high air flow over the elevator I doubt that the trim tap could have caused the high G pull past the vertical before it hit the
ground. Not matter what people think, the flight controls are connected by cables and push pull tubes and they have to be moved
at that speed to cause what I see on the video.
If someone thinks he slumped over from High G or Heart Attack and deflected the controls, then which way do you think they were moved
from a limp body? My uneducated guess would be forward stick due to where it is located in the cockpit, but what do I know.
My condolences to the friends and families and my prayers are
with the injured _________________ First Flight 1979 H4 , Cirrus 3, UP Mosquito, Delta Wing Streak, Moyes XS, Exxtacy 160, Rotor Vulto, MILLENNIUM #8
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Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body.
But rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out and broken, shouting
"Holy Crap, WHAT A RIDE !!"
I found another picture (screen capture?) just before impact.
And another just after the dust settles.
There was not any time to duck for the initial impact, but look at the crowd.
Very few did anything at all (not like there was much they could have done).
Yeah, that is the origional AP photo that CNN used for video thumbnail, that I posted earlier. (I meant that I screen captured the picture myself, from the CNN article since I could not find the origional image at the time, Function Print screen (sometimes CNTL print screen), pasted into MS paint )
Pretty shocking, but does give the impression that the plane, if not the pilot
was trying to pull out.
I normally do not make comments about accidents till some info is released to draw some reasonable cause for the accident.
From the last video you can see that the pull up and roll before impact was a VERY HIGH G pull up and role at close to 400mph!!!!
It would take both hands on the stick in order to PULL that much aft stick and apply right aileron at the same time. The role only
continued for about 2secs and until it was inverted. Then the role stopped and became just a loop with close to FULL aft stick in the
pull past the vertical to impact!!
I would bet at that speed the pull up and role would have been close to the 8G limit of the wing(although with the clipped wings it would be
a little higher limit) I am really surprised that it didn't have a structural failure at the inverted pull into the ground!!
If he had passed out due to High G load or heart attack at the initial pull up he would have went limp in the cockpit and continued a slow
climb to the vertical until the aircraft lost energy and then stalled and pitched down. If he had slumped over he would have pushed forward
on the stick and went into a - G dive.
If he had lost consciousness from the High G or heart attack after the pull, role and aileron release at inverted , he would of went
limp and the airplane would have flown inverted straight ahead with a slight inverted dive (he would of had to push forward on the stick to
maintain level flight while inverted)
Due to the high air flow over the elevator I doubt that the trim tap could have caused the high G pull past the vertical before it hit the
ground. Not matter what people think, the flight controls are connected by cables and push pull tubes and they have to be moved
at that speed to cause what I see on the video.
If someone thinks he slumped over from High G or Heart Attack and deflected the controls, then which way do you think they were moved
from a limp body? My uneducated guess would be forward stick due to where it is located in the cockpit, but what do I know.
My condolences to the friends and families and my prayers are
with the injured
Can't see the elevator position to well, but looks slightly stick back.
Doesn't make sense, but the loss of the trim tab could have caused
the roll over.
What a terrible accident. I can't imagine how horrific it must have been.
According to ABC, the plane had a flight data recorder and a video camera on board:
Straight in one wingspan from the seats, this could have been a LOT worse.
The pilot is included in the (now 3 downgraded from 12) fatalities.
I saw a couple of interviews indicating that the pilot was still trying to control the plane but they were not pilots themselves so.....
It seems to me that in the photo on the RHS that there is a lot of down elevator applied, but the later photographs of the other side of the aircraft don't seem to show any elevator deflection.
That rolling pull-up suggested to me that something in the control system had broken. _________________ "We should all have our heads examined"
"That's Rule Number 4"
CP Hill, CP Tow. Moyes Malibu 188.
According to ABC, the plane had a flight data recorder and a video camera on board
Dude, that stuff is dust. Eye witnesses (sometimes not to be relayed on) relay that the only large fragments were from the engine; looking at the crash site, their is no clear indicator of what sort of calamity occurred- fragments and dust , not parts...
According to ABC, the plane had a flight data recorder and a video camera on board
Dude, that stuff is dust.
I'm always surprised at what those FAA guys are capable of.
Remember TWA flight 800?
They had to swim down and pick up each piece to do this.
After four YEARS they figured it was an electrical short near the center fuel tank's level sensor.
They now purge the air in that tank with nitrogen (the solution).
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