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FormerFF
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 Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: Osama bin Laden dead? |
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| CNN is reporting that Osama bin Laden has been killed in Afghanistan. Good riddance, motherf***er. |
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deeprecon1
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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This is good news and bad news
Good news .. he was dead a week ago .... who cares how ... he is dead !
Bad news . .... there goes our best excuse to go where we NEED to go no questions asked.
Now if we could only do something about those caves
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HangDog
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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YUP! and also if you noticed they were saying before the report, the breaking news was stating it was some huge security risk.
There's going to be a bunch of his followers wanting to avenge his death and guess what country is going to be on the top of the list.
It's going to get worse now and there will probably be more attacks in higher numbers and possibly nuclear power might be used this time.
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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There's going to be a bunch of his followers wanting to avenge his death and guess what country is going to be on the top of the list.
I think we already are. |
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Mavi Gogun
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| deeprecon1 wrote: |
| Bad news . .... there goes our best excuse to go where we NEED to go no questions asked. |
Only as a mater of rhetoric- the only place "no questions" were asked was in the mind of some Americans. The compounded tragedy of 911 has been facilitated by a lack of questions and answers. |
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Great news, SPECTACULAR ! I was amazed when I saw the headline, but, in addition to attacks we will surely see on our Embassy's around the globe hotspots, you have to wonder if we might start seeing attacks on our soil now, possibly hundreds of sleeper cells WELL prepared for this exact event. Buses, trains, or even more planes. It really would be SO easy.
Most people seem to think that taking their shoes off and molesting old women and young children makes them SO safe. Considering what inmates regularly hide in their rectums and women could hide in their V-jayjay's, getting explosives or weapons on a plane is STILL ridiculously easy (ceramic knives for example and possibly composite plastic guns). Opt for a patdown and hide weapons, explosives, primitive nerve gases etc internally.
Detonating a device in the security area of an airport would be pretty bad too, lot's of people bottlenecked in a small area. They could do the 1-2 punch, with a second bomber waiting for the first responders and a crowd to gather after the initial blast, then detonating a second device. Obviously this is easier to do & conceal in the winter when everyone has thick coats on.
I wish instead of low paid, bottom of the barrel people, who should be flipping burgers, we actually had well paid, highly trained people handling security. Possibly trained and overseen by Israeli security for the first 10 years. Talking to people and gauging responses, escalating when necessary, and explosive sniffing dogs would be MUCH more likely to keep us safe.
Profiling works too, that's why the FBI trains & employs them, usually with great success, but with all the political correctness and orgs like the ACLU, well, that will never happen.
Knee jerk reactions like EVERYONE removing shoes because 1 idiot tried something (that didn't even work) 1 time is foolish. The most effective thing they've done so far is reinforcing cockpit doors, arming pilots, and putting armed marshals onboard. The rest is theatrics, and whaddya know, the public eats it up and feels all warm & fuzzy inside.
But even ignoring airplanes, explosive laden vans etc work quite well too as Timothy McVeigh clearly demonstrated at the Federal Bldg.
HOPEFULLY none of this EVER happens, but someone determined to die and take as many people as possible with them is surely a hard thing, if not impossible, to stop, especially with zero security throughout 99.9% of our country and only security theater at the other .1%
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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It's all very Orwellian... and what's with all this Double Speak going on everywhere? The people are swallowing it all up too, so much for enlightenment.
This ain't rocket science folks — how we can call ourselves 'civilized' then plan to murder someone in cold blood and without trial I just don't know. Or maybe it was just an accident, hmm. |
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Mavi Gogun
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| This ain't rocket science folks — how we can call ourselves 'civilized' then plan to murder someone in cold blood and without trial I just don't know. Or maybe it was just an accident, hmm. |
Reports seem to indicate that there was an extended fire fight- an attempt to apprehend, instead of dropping a bunker buster bomb. Regardless of the intent, what of the outcome? Do you suggest that there is no such thing as civilized killing? How different would this world be if President Clinton had given the go ahead to kill Bin Laden on a hunting safari with Saudi royals, all those years ago? We might equally fantasize about the outcome of using civil police powers to take Bin Laden into custody- if the Pakistanis could be persuaded to participate, what would the body count of such a siege been? If held in Pakistani custody, what reprisals could we anticipate, what cost in innocent life?
Ideals and integrity of character are not expressed through ideologically motivated action, but rather manifest by considered action informed by those ideals, that character. The rule of law is not unto itself a harbinger of justice. Great travesties and courageous acts of civil stewardship have been committed by both the judiciary and police. Is your assessment that this act was unjust, or that, on balance, it erodes our civil fabric?
Much of this whole sad chapter has been handled with all the delicacy of a bull in a china shop. All considered, this latest act was surgical by contrast.
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JohnC
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Oh so b****y what?
Greed, ignorance, tribalism, hunger for power and the absurd delusion that is religious faith will continue unabated.
Have the UK and USA ceased their support of the Riyadh dictatorship that fuels the hatred directed towards them? Would the UK / US military–industrial complex want to lose all the lovely fear?
No celebration here.
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:28 am Post subject: |
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If a drug dealer puts up a fire fight when the police come to arrest him and he ends up dead, talk about trials and juries make absolutely no sense.
That said, NOW can we cut the military in half before it bankrupts us please?
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| This ain't rocket science folks — how we can call ourselves 'civilized' then plan to murder someone in cold blood and without trial I just don't know. Or maybe it was just an accident, hmm. |
Tell that to the victims of 911 who were killed in cold blood. Personally I think his death was too easy. He should of suffered! and that's as simple as it gets.
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:12 am Post subject: |
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I stand corrected. Just heard on the news this was a KILL mission. No intent to take him alive. Just to wipe him out. Also, buried at sea so there can be no shrine or place for terrorists to visit.
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:00 am Post subject: |
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After coming home from night shift , turning on the TV and hearing that a plane just hit a building was one thing, but then seeing an airliner run into the second...... I couldn't believe what I was seeing, All those innocent passengers and office staff and more, how far was it going to go, when will it stop?
Is it a shame he's dead? not by a long shot.
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| Nicos wrote: |
It's all very Orwellian... and what's with all this Double Speak going on everywhere? The people are swallowing it all up too, so much for enlightenment.
This ain't rocket science folks — how we can call ourselves 'civilized' then plan to murder someone in cold blood and without trial I just don't know. Or maybe it was just an accident, hmm. |
It depends on your view of the world Nicos. We live in a world that operates like a street in a city. Each country has their interests and most of the time civilized nations negotiate with each other when self interests clash and try to find a mutual solution. When you get a group that is dedicated to disrupt and kill indiscriminately (Those civilians in the towers where simply working at their jobs), then you have to address that and punish the terrorists.
I guess you are lucky I'm not the president because the Italian in me when take out at 10 for every one of ours. But I am probably not very civil in your eyes 
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:26 am Post subject: |
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These people aren't completely stupid. They probably planned for this and have someone moving up to take his place. So thank god he's dead and out of our hair, but who's going to be the next Osama Bin Laden?  |
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| who's going to be the next Osama Bin Laden? |
Yea, the next guy is probably not hiding out from the WORLD and not on a kidney machine.
Chances are he has entirely new agenda.
On the matter of this triggering any sleeper cells......the sooner we find them, the better. |
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| These people aren't completely stupid. They probably planned for this and have someone moving up to take his place. So thank god he's dead and out of our hair, but who's going to be the next Osama Bin Laden? |
I'm sure there will be Osama Bin Ladens as long as we keep thousands of troops in the middle east, often times killing their innocent civilians. Most of us are brainwashed into thinking they hate us because we're free.
How would we feel if China routinely dropped bombs on our country for over 10 years, claiming they're killing terrorists, while we are constantly burying innocent civilians that were mistakenly killed. Eventually we would get pissed enough to start some sort of militia and try to give them a taste of their own medicine.
All I'm trying to say is we live in a bubble, and if this country continues spending over 1 TRILLION dollars a year in national defense then we will be giving these retaliation terrorist groups exactly what they want. We will become so broke we will bankrupt ourselves. We will drown ourselves in our own hate for these terrorists because we think America is so great and we can kill 10 of theirs for every one of us. Somehow, I don't think this is going to end any time soon. |
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:14 am Post subject: |
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It's all very Orwellian... and what's with all this Double Speak going on everywhere? The people are swallowing it all up too, so much for enlightenment.
This ain't rocket science folks — how we can call ourselves 'civilized' then plan to murder someone in cold blood and without trial I just don't know. Or maybe it was just an accident, hmm. |
So Emmanuel Goldstein is dead
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