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TomGalvin
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 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| The most important thing you need in a wing to learn to fly XC is a glider that you are completely comfortable landing |
Fixed it for ya. 
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Avnav8r
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Hey,
I am just adding to what Bob Flynn said....I truly enjoy flying my Freedom! I have been flying for 35 years now and this glider has the best handling of any glider I've ever flown (and that beats an Olympus I flew in the late 1970's). The glide is very respectable for a SS glider and landings are simply easy and even fun! When was the last time you heard someone say that landing a glider was fun?!? Anyway, if you are even remotely interested in a Freedom, see if you can get a demo flight somewhere. North Wing's motto for the Freedom could be, "More smiles per mile!" (can you tell I really like this glider?)
John Stokes
www.osceolabaldeagle.com
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JedZeppelin
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hey,
I am just adding to what Bob Flynn said....I truly enjoy flying my Freedom! I have been flying for 35 years now and this glider has the best handling of any glider I've ever flown (and that beats an Olympus I flew in the late 1970's). The glide is very respectable for a SS glider and landings are simply easy and even fun! When was the last time you heard someone say that landing a glider was fun?!? Anyway, if you are even remotely interested in a Freedom, see if you can get a demo flight somewhere. North Wing's motto for the Freedom could be, "More smiles per mile!" (can you tell I really like this glider?)
John Stokes
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John do you know if Lookout currently has a Demo Freedom?
I will be there the 15 thru the 25 of May and really want to demo a Freedom bad, both sizes even if possible.
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Paul H
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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I count landings as part of flying.
| TomGalvin wrote: |
| Paul H wrote: |
| The most important thing you need in a wing to learn to fly XC is a glider that you are completely comfortable landing |
Fixed it for ya. |
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Avnav8r
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Hey Jed,
I don't know if they have a demo Freedom. You can call the shop and ask. If you fall within the weight range of the 170, you can fly mine (I'll be back after the HG Spectacular, you can PM me for how to get in touch with me). I do know that they are getting a 150 in soon. Also, I have heard they are getting a prototype 140 (ish) Horizon. I'd be curious to see how this glider flies. They have a number of female students each year (along with smaller framed men, as myself) that the 140 would be a perfect fit. Say "Hello" to Jethro for me...
John Stokes
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addicted2climbing
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Hello All,
So my Used Freedom 190 arrived yesterday and I put it together to make sure it did not have any shipping damage; the box was pretty beat up. Anyhow all went together fine, but I ran into a small issue on getting it back in its bag. When it came time to roll up the wingtips and put them in the tip bags I was unsure what to do with the curved tip since it was so rigid with the lever inside. I must have rolled it up 4 times to see what worked best and sadly nothing seemed quite rite. What I ended up doing was fold the wingtip under the wing and had the lever area near the leading edge. Then I rolled up the tip and put it in the bag. This seemed to work but became a problem when it came time to roll up the main sail as I was getting odd bunches and kinks in the sail. I am use to rolling up a Falcon 1 and I usualy just pull the sail out and roll along the leading edge and the lower part of the wing seems to follow. With the freedom this was not the case. I have it in its bag right now and it is OK, but I would prefer to learn the propper way to rool it up and deal with the tips. Also it seems my bag is about 8" or so too long, or by folding the tips in I made the pack size too short. However it arrived with the same empty space in the bag.
Also I have a hangloop question. The NW website says that the Freedom uses a Kingpost hang system and I am curious if that is the case, how do you adjust the hangloop for trim for individual pilots of different weights? Also I noticed my Backup loop is behind the kingpost and is a standard one with the rubber coating around the keel so it wont move as if it is the one that should be adjusted. I did notice that the Kingpost had 4 possible locations and mine is on the second from the front. Do I just move the kingpost Fore and Aft to adjust trim for my weight?
My Manual is an early one and for a Freedom 170 since the 190 manual was not available at the time when mine was built (04/0 and it refers to Fig 1 in the instructions but there are no pictures. I requested a new manual from NW and they plan to email me one.
OK so those with Freedoms of any size can you give me any tips you have learned that I should know about.
I am looking forward to flying this, but as a low time H2 with a few radio assisted solos left to do, I plan to just finish with the Falcon 1 and then slowly transistion to the freedom as I gain more experience. Then sell my Falcon 1.
Best regards,
Marc
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peanuts
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: |
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[quote="addicted2climbing"] how do you adjust the hangloop for trim for individual pilots of different weights?
seems like an easy question. |
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Connor
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:28 am Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaGvFWiHB9s
Here is a link to a pilot rolling up the sail on his Freedom 170.  This is how I roll up my 190 and it works perfectly.
You are also correct regarding the kingpost adjustment.
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addicted2climbing
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Hey Connor,
Wow that Video was great.. That was the best answer I could have received. I would have never thought to wrap the tip like that. Also since you have a 190, what location is your Kinpost at and how much do you weigh (street clothes). I am unsure what my hook in weight is, but I weigh 235lbs.. My post is currently at position #2 counting from the nose to keel. I was considering moving it aft to position #3 since i am at the higher weight range for the 190, yet I am very much an H2 so maybe a bit nose heavy woudl not hurt eaither and I leave it where it is. Just curious what yo have learned in moving your post Fore or Aft.
Thanks again,
Marc
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Thog
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Fantastic video and method! Every time I pack away my WW Sport 2, I always feel like there is a better way than my technique. I wonder if there is a video of a solid method to use in folding a WW double surface curved tip glider? I searched YouTube but didn't find anything.
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Connor
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| addicted2climbing wrote: |
Hey Connor,
Wow that Video was great.. That was the best answer I could have received. I would have never thought to wrap the tip like that. Also since you have a 190, what location is your Kinpost at and how much do you weigh (street clothes). I am unsure what my hook in weight is, but I weigh 235lbs.. My post is currently at position #2 counting from the nose to keel. I was considering moving it aft to position #3 since i am at the higher weight range for the 190, yet I am very much an H2 so maybe a bit nose heavy woudl not hurt eaither and I leave it where it is. Just curious what yo have learned in moving your post Fore or Aft.
Thanks again,
Marc |
Hi again Marc. I too weigh 235lbs. I have my kingpost set in position 3 and have very light bar pressure. I like it. My harness is also very low to my base tube.
I was happy to find the YouTube video for sail rolling also. The more you roll the sail the easier it gets. I'm sticking with this method.
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addicted2climbing
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Connor,
Thanks for all the help. I see your Freedom 190 is more of the race version and you have an advanced harness. In your opinion, would position #3 put me too far aft for an H2. I want to set it up for the easiest handling as possible. I see that the crossbar tension can be tweaked as well and plan to see where it is currently set and set it toward more forgiving if it is too tight. Also mine is the standard sail with the older style battens.. Only thing I wish I had were the flip tip battens, but I am sure this glider will be just fine for me for a long while.
Thanks again,
Marc
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peanuts
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="peanuts"]
| addicted2climbing wrote: |
how do you adjust the hangloop for trim for individual pilots of different weights?
seems like an easy question. |
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NMERider
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| peanuts wrote: |
| addicted2climbing wrote: |
how do you adjust the hangloop for trim for individual pilots of different weights?
seems like an easy question. |
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Robert in the Sylmar club has a Freedom 170 that he let me fly one day and if I recall correctly, there are different holes along the keel that you can use to re-position the kingpost bracket like on the Sport 2. I'd be very happy to be your test guinea pig. 
Marc, I look forward to seeing you and your nifty new wing out at Kagel!
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peanuts
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| is trim no longer trim? |
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Connor
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Connor,
Thanks for all the help. I see your Freedom 190 is more of the race version and you have an advanced harness. In your opinion, would position #3 put me too far aft for an H2. I want to set it up for the easiest handling as possible. I see that the crossbar tension can be tweaked as well and plan to see where it is currently set and set it toward more forgiving if it is too tight. Also mine is the standard sail with the older style battens.. Only thing I wish I had were the flip tip battens, but I am sure this glider will be just fine for me for a long while.
Thanks again,
Marc |
Hi Marc! I am a novice pilot also! The third positions simply works good for me. I have never messed with the crossbar tension and don't thing I will ever feel the need to. Being on the slightly heavier side, we will get away with more than the average novice. ;) That being said, I do not try to "get away with" things I shouldn't. LOL My harness is one of those things. Since my training days I like to land fast or faster than most new pilots because I find that speed stabilizes my landings better. The Cosmic likes to land fast which suits me just fine.
I figured because I was going to buy brand new, I would order the Freedom as though it will be my only wing. I'm happy I did. The Freedom is a sweet wing! We are lucky to have them!
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PredatorJoe
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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my 1st flight on the freedom was at least a year ago on a 150 prototype that heiney was still tuning for kamron. it was a lite day @ torrey and i was impressed at how well it carried my weight (195lbs hook-in).
last weekend i flew the 170, this time with decent wind to allow more playing
it performs very well for a ss wing, and of course handles like it has power steering
you can point it at the ground
and it'll retain at least some energy, unlike most ss wings
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Connor
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 12:54 am Post subject: |
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jspin72, those are some SWEEEEEEEEEEET pics! 
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Bobfly
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 3:29 am Post subject: |
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TomGalvin
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| Connor wrote: |
| Here is a link to a pilot rolling up the sail on his Freedom 170. This is how I roll up my 190 and it works perfectly. |
That method looks like it makes for multiple sharp crease in the sail. I try to roll sails loosely and avoid hard folds. IT doesn't look as neat, but I think it is less wear on the sail.
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