Hi everyone ! just posted this video hope you enjoy , the music was for Skyhighwoman hope she likes John Denver .getting ready t o head to the point to be with all the other Pilots hope it blows N for them. have a great 4th of July week end
I made a mistake on the video , I said Rickw, I should have said RickM
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Can someone please tell me after watching this Redbull Speed Run video (for the 20th time, I'm sure) the purpose of having one's feet so high? Watching the smoke trails it would seem that the best angle position for your harness is to have it match your glide slope. Ryan's is set at what? 3/1?
that harness looks uncomfortable, feet over your head is one thing, but that arched back looks like it would get old _________________ TSA, DHS, NDAA and SOPA Seig Heil!
Can someone please tell me after watching this Redbull Speed Run video (for the 20th time, I'm sure) the purpose of having one's feet so high? Watching the smoke trails it would seem that the best angle position for your harness is to have it match your glide slope. Ryan's is set at what? 3/1?
If the flight occurred at one speed only, then you would want your body aligned in a fixed, least drag position. If the flight varies in speed (and which one doesn't), one must consider the % of time a different speeds.
Since drag goes up by square with speed, one must weight the higher speeds as more important than the lower speeds. The means that on a speedgliding course unless you see a shot of the pilots at the fastest part of the course you will likely see their feet higher than ideal.
that harness looks uncomfortable, feet over your head is one thing, but that arched back looks like it would get old
I have a High Energy caccon I've been wanting to play around with adjustments on, mine currently hangs me pretty flat , my older cacoon arched my back more and was slightly feet high, Ryans posistion looks really extreme.
But I do want my newer Cacoon adjusted more feet high and arched back like my older one was, not nearly as extreme though as Ryan, but slightly feet high and slightly arched back is what I've always credited Cacoons superior comfort to.
I'm looking forward to Ryans comments on this.
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I've posted before on this subject asking why it is advantageous to have one's head down so low, and you gave the only explanation that I've heard that makes sense. That is, when we try to stuff the bar we tend to rock up head high. We can minimize this by starting in a somewhat extreme head low position.
As I said, it looks like the best harness angle is one that matches our glide slope. If you're running in a ridge (lift) race where you're not losing altitude, wouldn't the best harness position be parallel rather than head low?
you guys are reading too much into this- more than anything, that's just how I feel most comfortable
Most people call it 'unnatural', but most people haven't been laying in hang gliding harnesses since they were 4, either. I feel level and super comfy, so why change a good thing.
If I were going to try to justify it, I would say that I don't care much about glide performance (which is obvious, as the only harness I own is a cocoon). What I enjoy most in hang gliding is flying fast and doing aerobatics- both of which are easier when hanging feet high. As others have pointed out, if you hang 'level' at trim, as you pull in you will rock up head high- which is way more drag, but more importantly it limits how far you can pull in, and how much control you have when fully pulled in.
My feet-high position, with my slight arch (I'm not arched as much as it looks like), means as I pull in the bar stays close to my body, and follows the arch of my harness... letting me pull in farther than most, and allowing me to weight shift normally (while laying relatively level) WITH the bar stuffed.
Obviously this harness position isn't for everyone... but you'll see it a lot in people who like to fly fast. Speed gliding, ridge racing, aerobatic pilots- all hang feet high.
My body angle is probably appropriate for flying a Falcon fast in terms of getting best glide. Maybe a Pulse or something similar. Given the glide angle of modern gliders, even at best glide I'm still hanging feet-high. Thing is, A) I'm comfortable, and B) I fly faster than VNE more than I fly at best glide _________________ Ryan Voight
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If you're running in a ridge (lift) race where you're not losing altitude, wouldn't the best harness position be parallel rather than head low?
Common misconception due to the illusion that when ridge running you are flying straight across the ridge; even when flying fast in ridge lift, your glider is SINKING relative to the rising air, so for maximum efficiency, you'd still want to be feet-high _________________ Ryan Voight
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and one demonstrating how I level right out as I pull in...
You have to remember that the easiest way to 'see' angle of attack (you can't SEE airflow) is the keel relative to the horizon. Remember that this is not really angle of attack, and also remember that the keel is the highest angle of attack of the wing, and the wings twist as you look farther out the wing.
Don't look at my body angle relative to the keel, look somewhere in the middle of the sail billow
Ryan,
I haven't messed with my HE cacoon yet its just like it came from High Energy.
The arch in the back is just a matter of shortening the shoulder to knee lines I assume, Correct?
As for head down feet high, that same shoulder/knee lines slides through the metal ring for head down angle adjustment, correct? My old cacoon would rock up or down and stay put fairly well, my new HE Cacoon seems to want to fly level or head up no matter what, will shortening the shoulder/knee lines make it easier to rock head down and stay that way?
I notice all the cacoon flying acro dudes have a lot of arch in thier back and currently mine has very little arch .
Ryan,
I haven't messed with my HE cacoon yet its just like it came from High Energy.
The arch in the back is just a matter of shortening the shoulder to knee lines I assume, Correct?
As for head down feet high, that same shoulder/knee lines slides through the metal ring for head down angle adjustment, correct? My old cacoon would rock up or down and stay put fairly well, my new HE Cacoon seems to want to fly level or head up no matter what, will shortening the shoulder/knee lines make it easier to rock head down and stay that way?
I notice all the cacoon flying acro dudes have a lot of arch in thier back and currently mine has very little arch .
Yes, shortening the should/leg lines will give you more arch.
If you want to adjust how head high/low you hang, you'll need to either lengthen or shorten the lat line (behind your shoulder lines). Because the shoulder line runs through that ring to your legs, you can still rock up or down and it should stay put fairly well, but that lat line pretty much controls your dangle angle when you just lay there. _________________ Ryan Voight
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There are some general notes to start, and one part there is just for cocoons.
Straight answers:
gbx5150 wrote:
Ryan,
I haven't messed with my HE cacoon yet its just like it came from High Energy.
The arch in the back is just a matter of shortening the shoulder to knee lines I assume, Correct?
Yes.
gbx5150 wrote:
As for head down feet high, that same shoulder/knee lines slides through the metal ring for head down angle adjustment, correct?
No. The shoulder/knee lines allow the correct head-down angle, but cannot "set" that angle. Add a shoulder stop rope, to limit (set) the head-down angle you want.
gbx5150 wrote:
My old cacoon would rock up or down and stay put fairly well, my new HE Cacoon seems to want to fly level or head up no matter what, will shortening the shoulder/knee lines make it easier to rock head down and stay that way? .
No, you are feet-heavy in the new harness. This is your real problem, and it is easy to fix (see the linked article). _________________ Cheers,
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But the music adds to the beauty of the video. The lyrics was very fitting.
It is your video so use whatever music you like. 
