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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: What happened here? Reply with quote #1   
Sketchy stuff...... Shocked


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #2   
cant understand how that happened
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #3   
I was hoping someone could share some insight. Was this due to the student flying or interfearing with controling the glider?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #4   
Maybe a luft line caught under a batten on the right wing? At the 3:03 mark it looks like the right trailing edge is higher then the left. Just a guess.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #5   
This was posted over at the ozreport and they have some good commentary there.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #6   
The youtube title claims its an uncles first time hang gliding.
But, the student is the pilot in command???

Maybe it was the students first time trying to control the whole tow, and he locked out due to weak roll input???

There was an early left bump.... the an attempt to bump back to the right... but it wasnt enough.

Or, some malfunction of some sort like others have theorized so far.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #7   
s***... i'll ask steve myself.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #8   
That's at Wallaby Ranch. Hmmmm. What went wrong? The glider got into a mild turn and didn't correct. Eventually a weak link broke or the release was pulled. Looked like it could have been worse, but turned out not so bad.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #9   
No.. must be his first time... and look the way he grips the bar, and Steve telling him to relax. He must have grabbed himself to the bar in panic and steve had a hard time pulling the bigger guy to the other side..
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #10   
What I can't believe is the stupid idiots with the camera laughing the whole time. Two people could have been seriously hurt in the incident. That was very close to a terrible cartwheel. Then it bumped the other glider too. Clueless morons (behind the camera).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #11   
obvious conjecture--- but If the student caused the original problem the instructor had a pretty good save once the wing tip touched the ground. Even if he did run into the other glider.

Looks like no one was hurt. thumbsup

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #12   
Was that Malcom?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #13   
No that was not Malcolm.

BTW - If you listen very carefully as the instructor is getting the passenger setup he asks if it's his first time in a hang glider and the passenger answers "Yes". This was a joy ride, not a student.

Add to that the DEATH grip he had on the bar and the weight disparity of the two, I think the theory of the passenger putting the glider into the turn makes a lot of sense.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #14   
lostgriz wrote:
Was that Malcom?


Well, wouldn't the instructor be the last to get in the glider, and the last person to get in the glider was not Malcolm. I've never been there but I think I'd recognize him.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #15   
I wonder if that dudes significant other would be laughing so much if she knew how bad that could have turned out... ignorance is bliss.

That Pilot In Command has 97 trillion hours of experience. I would be interested to hear his side of the story.

The way that tail boom is bending suggests that the passenger was a bit on the heavy side. I know the pilot in command, and he is not a large dude, maybe he had trouble over coming the passenger's Death grip on take off, which may have put it into the left hand turn. This last part is pure speculation. And speculation sucks, but I am too lazy to hit the delete key now.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #16   
It is clear from the video that the passenger has BOTH of his hands on the base tube. The instructor lets him leave his hands there! ????

I'm sure I'm not familiar with the procedures at Wallaby, but since when is a passenger allowed to even touch the control bar? Every tandem tow (ATOL) I ever did, the passenger was strictly instructed to hold onto ME and not to touch the control bar. Their right arm was always across my back, the other on my left shoulder strap.

This problem occurred because the passenger effectively took (was given!!!) control of the glider - IMHO.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #17   
Wingspan34 wrote:
lostgriz wrote:
Was that Malcom?


Well, wouldn't the instructor be the last to get in the glider, and the last person to get in the glider was not Malcolm. I've never been there but I think I'd recognize him.


I wasn't talking about the tourist taking his firt flight, I was talking about the instructor. I have never been to Wallaby and have only heard about Malcom. surrender
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #18   
malcom is the top dog gives the ok for solo
steve #two read your mag he's in there
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #19   
Jonathan wrote:


That Pilot In Command has 97 trillion hours of experience. I would be interested to hear his side of the story.


Spoke to Steve this Afternoon... he may respond to this thread himself....

All tandem flights in the US are training flights per FAA exemption


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #20   
if the glider had been a few meters higher when the sh%t went down it wouldn't have been a wing tip scrape and roll out.......it would have been a MASSIVE whack Shocked Shocked Shocked
dam they were lucky

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