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flyhigh013 3 thumbs up


Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 3465 Location: Point of the Mountain, Draper, UT
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: USHPA mag editor needs HG articles! |
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I just got off the phone with Nick Greece, editor of the USHPA magazine... and he was saying that he needs hang gliding articles really badly. He said he's got a crapload of good PG "features", but not nearly enough hang gliding content to keep it balanced.
He's going to send me a story to write up, so that's 1 more HG feature... but since he's trying to hard to keep things balanced I thought it'd be really great if the HG (and especially hg.org) community could help him out and submit some articles.
You have to give the guy credit where credit is due- calling his HG contacts and getting them to write articles is, in my opinion, going above and beyond just working with what is submitted.
If you have a good story, a flight report, a "there I was, thought I was going to die... but this is what I learned" story, a pilot profile on a local hot pilot that deserves some recognition.... anything you think people might find entertaining, educational, fun to read, whatever....... write it up, and send it in!
I'd be glad to proof read anyone's articles if they'd like an honest opinion and don't feel comfortable just submitting something without a little writing-guidance...
-Ryan _________________ Ryan Voight
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Sky_Walker 3 thumbs up


Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 637 Location: Trenton, Ga
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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I really think that as a group (HG.org), we need to put together some kind of a committee for streamlining Hanggliding articles to the magazine. I know I'm not the only one who is tired of the imbalance.
Maybe set up a section of the wiki for potential articles that the entire community can work on. Individually we aren't going to be able to bury them with new hanggliding articles but I think if we all started working together on articles, we could take back at least half of our magazine.
I know that I would like to see articles relating to :
1) I've just completed my initial training got my hang 2 and had a few mountain solos, so whats next ? How do I continue to learn and grow in the sport. What resources are available for studying for advanced ratings and skills. How do I prepare for soaring flights. I know there are books available but lets get it in the magazine.
2) Soaring rules of the road. Especially how these rules need to be considered at sites that both Hanggliders and Paragliders will be flying. Discuss differences in design/control of Hanggliders/Paragliders that may contribute to some of the misunderstandings in the air.
I think if we pool our resources we could be submitting several quality articles a month. What do you guys think ??? |
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flyhigh013 3 thumbs up


Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 3465 Location: Point of the Mountain, Draper, UT
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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I for one think that's a great idea! Is there a way to "track" a wiki so that everyone that contributes to an article is sure to get credit?
I also really like those two article ideas!!! I think the first one has been done, but not in a LONG time... so all the H2's at at time are probably 4's by now, and there's a whole new generation of 2's that need guidance.
and RIDGE RULES!!! I wish I thought of that! Especially living here at the Point, it can get pretty crowded and it's only a matter of time until the inevitable happens... _________________ Ryan Voight
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designbydave 3 thumbs up


Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 2344 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| flyhigh013 wrote: |
| Is there a way to "track" a wiki so that everyone that contributes to an article is sure to get credit? |
yes, the wiki keeps track of who makes what changes _________________ -Dave
Member: Crestline Soaring Society ~ Torrey Hawks
Wills Wing Sport 2 155 & T2 144
H4 ~ FL ~ FSL ~ TUR ~ AT
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HangDiver 3 thumbs up


Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1723 Location: Boulder, Colorado
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| These are all good ideas - and thanks Ryan for the post. If we don't submit articles to the magazine we should not complain about it's content. |
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flyhigh013 3 thumbs up


Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 3465 Location: Point of the Mountain, Draper, UT
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| HangDiver wrote: |
| If we don't submit articles to the magazine we should not complain about it's content. |
This is our chance to do something about it!!! _________________ Ryan Voight
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ddreg 3 thumbs up

Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 84
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: |
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What do you get for submitting articles in the magazine? Is it worth it?
If you have a good article, don't know why you couldn't just share it here. HangGliding.org should have a repository of artitcles. Especially technical articles. It would be easier to query here as a referance and available to anyone. I'm sure potential pilots are influance more from HangGliding.org than the mag.
I really don't bother reading the rag much. Just flip though, look at the pictures and I'm done. Maybe once in a while I'd come across a good article worth reading. I wouldn't know how to find it again if I ever needed to referance the article. |
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sg 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 9871 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Ive been thinking about this from the standpoint of sport growth and im starting to wonder which would benefit the sport more???
1) Submitting articles to the mag, so that other HG pilots can read them
2) Submitting articles to the web, (I could create a new articles section and advertise on the front page when something new comes about), where lots of prospective pilots will read them
3) Both - but I think ushpa wont allow you to submit in 2 places, whereas hg.org would _________________
H4, AT, FL, TFL, AWCL, CL, FSL, RLF, TUR, X-C
Aeros Stealth III 142
"To be what you've never been you must do what you've never done." - Unknown |
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sg 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 9871 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| ddreg wrote: |
What do you get for submitting articles in the magazine? Is it worth it?
If you have a good article, don't know why you couldn't just share it here. HangGliding.org should have a repository of artitcles. Especially technical articles. It would be easier to query here as a referance and available to anyone. I'm sure potential pilots are influance more from HangGliding.org than the mag.
I really don't bother reading the rag much. Just flip though, look at the pictures and I'm done. Maybe once in a while I'd come across a good article worth reading. I wouldn't know how to find it again if I ever needed to referance the article. |
Heh, you beat me to it.
Oh, and
PS: We do have an repository of tons of stuff and adding an article section would be trivial.
Check out the hang gliding WIKI: http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki _________________
H4, AT, FL, TFL, AWCL, CL, FSL, RLF, TUR, X-C
Aeros Stealth III 142
"To be what you've never been you must do what you've never done." - Unknown |
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flyhigh013 3 thumbs up


Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 3465 Location: Point of the Mountain, Draper, UT
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| ddreg wrote: |
What do you get for submitting articles in the magazine? Is it worth it?
If you have a good article, don't know why you couldn't just share it here. HangGliding.org should have a repository of artitcles. Especially technical articles. It would be easier to query here as a referance and available to anyone. I'm sure potential pilots are influance more from HangGliding.org than the mag.
I really don't bother reading the rag much. Just flip though, look at the pictures and I'm done. Maybe once in a while I'd come across a good article worth reading. I wouldn't know how to find it again if I ever needed to referance the article. |
They do pay you for your article... I think the last one I wrote I got $50?
I think you should submit it to the magazine because it is (half) OUR magazine... and you hear people complain all the time about it has no good content. You admit yourself you don't really read it much anymore. But here we have a new editor who is really putting in a lot of effort to turn things around and make it a magazine worth reading, whether you fly paragliders or hang gliders... but he can only do so much and then it's out of his hands- if he doesn't have enough HG submissions, he can't produce a balanced mag, and then you get the complainers all worked up again, and it's a vicious cycle!
Besides, there is something really neat about having your own written work published in a real, nationally distributed magazine. Any Joe can post something on the internet.... but seeing your article in print on those glossy pages, maybe even with a photo or two, it's a very neat thing. And it's a member-driven magazine, so why SHOULDN'T we submit our articles, it's OUR damn magazine!  _________________ Ryan Voight
BLOG: www.airthug.blogspot.com
VIDEOS: http://vimeo.com/user802494/videos
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knumbknuts 3 thumbs up


Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 4526 Location: Carlsbad, CA
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| flyhigh013 wrote: |
it's OUT damn magazine!  |
No, "out" magazine is solely for paraglider pilots.
http://www.out.com/ |
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sg 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 9871 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| flyhigh013 wrote: |
And it's a member-driven magazine, so why SHOULDN'T we submit our articles, it's OUT damn magazine!  |
Well, thats why I posed the question in my previous post.
If the article gets more people interested in HG by posting it on the web, than in a mag only HG pilots read, then that would be a really good reason to choose the web over the mag. _________________
H4, AT, FL, TFL, AWCL, CL, FSL, RLF, TUR, X-C
Aeros Stealth III 142
"To be what you've never been you must do what you've never done." - Unknown |
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flyhigh013 3 thumbs up


Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 3465 Location: Point of the Mountain, Draper, UT
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| sg wrote: |
Ive been thinking about this from the standpoint of sport growth and im starting to wonder which would benefit the sport more???
1) Submitting articles to the mag, so that other HG pilots can read them
2) Submitting articles to the web, (I could create a new articles section and advertise on the front page when something new comes about), where lots of prospective pilots will read them
3) Both - but I think ushpa wont allow you to submit in 2 places, whereas hg.org would |
I like option 3... and the USHPA wouldn't care if the article was up on hg.org, as long as it doesn't show up there BEFORE it runs in the magazine... if you could read it online first that kind of defeats the purpose of sending it in...
Could you automate the article section so that, when people submit things, there is a 3 month lead time before other users can read it (3 months= 2 month lead time of mag, + 1 month in case the issue was full and it needs to go in the next one)? If you could do that, I say by all means go for it- I'll add the articles I write, as long as I'm not undermining the magazine.
I liked the time when I would anxiously await the mag to see who got the cover, the centerspread, who wrote what and how can I learn from it, who's doing what cool things where, etc etc _________________ Ryan Voight
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ddreg 3 thumbs up

Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 84
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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I was under the impression that they didn't pay for articles or photos unless you were a regular writer for them or you gave up all rights to the material. What ever it was, didn't seem appealling. I guess its good to see you work published. Anyway just a rant, I'm actually past caring now. I get all my reading done one these online forums and blogs.
but, what would be more useful to the community? If you can submit to both, thats great then.
I remember reading a great landing article by Greg DeWolf publish in the mag at some date I don't remember. I got a copy of the article off the internet some where. Don't know where to find it again. If I need to look something up, like touching up my landing skills, am I going to go flipping through 1000s of pages in the mag to find what I need? Or can I just look it up?
Anyone have a link to this landing article? Also there are a bunch of good technical threads. If someone would just go and make a summary of all the good stuff.
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mgforbes 3 thumbs up


Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 402 Location: Corvallis, Oregon
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: Articles PLUS photos! |
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I want to just emphasize a point here about photos and articles.
An article by itself is good, but lacks the visual 'zip' to really attract readers.
Photos submitted by themselves are nice, but without a story to
hang them on it's difficult to find a place where they fit, editorially.
What we REALLY need are well-written articles with accompanying
photos, that tell a coherent story together. That's what makes good
magazine content....visually compelling photos tied together with
a good story.
My own examples are pretty boring; I talk about stuff like finances and
insurance. But for example, when we needed to raise dues a couple
years ago, I sent in not only an article explaining the increase, but a
chart that showed how dues have varied over the years in constant-dollars.
I know nobody likes to pay more for something, but I've had a number
of people tell me that they completely understood the need, because
there was a good *picture* there to illustrate it. The story is much harder
to understand, and much less convincing without the graph.
I have some great photos that Josh Morell took of me last year at the Hang-On
comp. I need to send those in, but first I need to write an article about my
experience of a first-ever competition. Without some text to hang those
pictures on, there's no good place to put them.
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mgforbes 3 thumbs up


Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 402 Location: Corvallis, Oregon
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| ddreg wrote: |
| I was under the impression that they didn't pay for articles or photos unless you were a regular writer for them or you gave up all rights to the material. |
We do pay for articles, and you don't give up all rights to them. You transfer
some rights for a limited period of time, but you retain the long-term rights.
USHPA also gets some permanent rights, to republish in archives and so on.
The contributor agreement has been revised recently, and the most current
version can be found here:
http://www.ushpa.aero/editorial_agreement.asp
| ddreg wrote: |
I remember reading a great landing article by Greg DeWolf publish in the mag at some date I don't remember. I got a copy of the article off the internet some where. Don't know where to find it again. If I need to look something up, like touching up my landing skills, am I going to go flipping through 1000s of pages in the mag to find what I need? Or can I just look it up?
Anyone have a link to this landing article? Also there are a bunch of good technical threads. If someone would just go and make a summary of all the good stuff. |
Do you have a copy of the magazine archive on DVD? It has a complete
searchable index going all the way back to the very first issue of Low And Slow,
and it's full-text searchable from 2003 onward. That's when we switched to
all-digital production. Before that, we have the table of contents page indexed
by keywords and authors, so you can look up all the articles by Greg DeWolf
and see which ones are of interest. Thirty bucks in the USHPA store, if you
don't already own a copy. Six DVD-ROMs in a nice box with pictures and
everything. You know you want it....
MGF
(Who needs to crank out another batch of DVD sets in the garage when he
gets home from Reno next week.) |
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FormerFF 3 thumbs up


Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 1980 Location: Roswell, Georgia, USA
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: |
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I'd write up something, but don't have anything to write about. On the other hand, I can think of two things that each deserve an article, but wasn't at/wont be at: The Tennessee Tree Toppers May Mayhem, and the upcoming charity event that Jim Rice will be flyng. Anyone want to write those up? _________________ H2 FL CL FSL
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ddreg 3 thumbs up

Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 84
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Found it, July 1986 Page 27
So thats what those pdx files where for...
| mgforbes wrote: |
Do you have a copy of the magazine archive on DVD? It has a complete
searchable index going all the way back to the very first issue of Low And Slow,
and it's full-text searchable from 2003 onward. That's when we switched to
all-digital production. Before that, we have the table of contents page indexed
by keywords and authors, so you can look up all the articles by Greg DeWolf
and see which ones are of interest. Thirty bucks in the USHPA store, if you
don't already own a copy. Six DVD-ROMs in a nice box with pictures and
everything. You know you want it....
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JDub 3 thumbs up

Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 163 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Regarding the discussion of magazine vs. web publishing, I'll propose a few issues.
In the debate of quantity of exposure, which medium actually has more readers, a central magazine that goes to every USHPA member (or, at least its supposed to) or a website available to anyone. Not knowing the actual viewership of this website, I would venture to guess that more people recieve the monthly mag than visit a website at the same frequency.
As to the type of viewership, this really relates to the types of articles. Someone looking for info on how to get started in HG isn't yet going to get the mag as they probably aren't a USHPA member, and thus will search the web. Someone who just got their H2 and is looking for a tutorial on how to get their H3 probably isn't going to read a three-page memoir of someone's journey; rather, they're probably looking for a rather cut and dry list of H2 sites which is more easily found on the web.
I'm not necessarily advocating for one over the other; I am saying one medium may be better than the other depending on the content. A ten-page article complete with photos about a fly-in may get more appreciation in a national mag distributed to USHPA members while a how-to guide on how to start HG would be more appropriate for a website which would have a higher proportion of those who don't know what USPHA is. _________________ H2, FL, FSL |
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HangDiver 3 thumbs up


Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1723 Location: Boulder, Colorado
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with everything flyhigh013 said about submitting articles for the mag and having your writing published in a nationally distributed magazine. I published many articles in "Hang Gliding" in the 1980s. It was always nice to see your stuff come out in print.
I also like the idea of having these articles also available here on the .org too.
Rich |
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