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| Have any of my videos every been a bad influence? |
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NMERider
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 Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:25 pm Post subject: Have any of my videos ever been a bad influence? |
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| Let's get to the point on this issue. If anyone has any evidence to support this claim then please cite specific examples of of exactly how this is so. |
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ChattaroyMan
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Have any of my videos ever been a bad influence? |
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| exactly how this is so. |
BAD on me cutting down on my YT time.
BAD on me deciding on a camera mount.
BAD on me for spending too much time keyboarding this in instead of ...... whatever else I should be doing!
 Keep yer BAD videos coming!
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NMERider
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Have any of my videos ever been a bad influence? |
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| .... Keep yer BAD videos coming! |
Thanks. I'm watching the poll votes slowly tally.  I hope to see some specific examples After all I have been hearing complaints of my alleged bad influence on students and yet not one instructor has been able to give me any examples to date |
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peanuts
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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i voted a "yes". i've tried emulating your landing style, and it has cost me untold aluminum replacement charges...  |
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NMERider
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| i voted a "yes". i've tried emulating your landing style, and it has cost me untold aluminum replacement charges... |
I have issued a full refund of your admission price to your Paypal account for the damage that was clearly caused by by my negligence in posting factual flying experiences. Heaven forbid anyone should attempt to censor any else's voice in public.
But seriously, I see 5 'yes' votes and so far, all I read are whimsical retorts. Somebody help me out here please. I'm really trying to get to the root of all this carnage I've been accused of creating. |
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CAL
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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videos are the way it is out there, they teach us either what to do or what not to do, believe it or not we Humans are smart, we can decide what fits our life style and how far we want to push the envelope.
the only thing that would concern me if a video hurts our sport, i have been guilty of that at times unknowingly
as far as safety is concerned, WE THE PEOPLE are responsible for ourselves and need to make proper judgements to maintain our own safety. we are responsible for ourselves to see that we are educated
unfortunately with unfair law suits going on out there when we do make errors it hurts our sport, when we do get hurt or killed, the law wants to take responsibility for it and ban us
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Davedebogusone
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Jonathan's been Jonathan along time, anybody that tries to do what he does deserves whatever happens to happen.
Besides its good for the economy and the aluminum industry . 
( and the future glider rack market) 
You have to think of how much he flys and what he gets away with (at least double the amount of videos he post )
Also the dude has been doing stupid stuff for like 50 years
Reminds me of a lower time pilot whining that he got skunked after Mckensie launched and soared weak conditions.
Has anybody flown crestline as much as Rob has ?
So the old juuuuish accountant can do it,remember he's one of the chosen people,you aint.
Party on Wayne(Jonathan) 
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CAL
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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i would like to go on further
lets take the videos of aerobatics gone good, that may stimulate the want to do it yourself looks easy enough, then we see aerobatics gone wrong, o my goodness look at that glider fall apart maybe this isn't for me or maybe i need to get educated on how to perform them well.
wow pilots are going miles and miles on a hang glider now days i want to do that , then he see someone landing in a very treacherous part of the woods, or taking a hard hit in a tailwind landing or being so tired after a long flight they do not have the energy or mental capacity to come to the ground safely maybe i need to put more thought into this
wow flying in the clouds i have always dreamed of that, wait a minute the camera only shows grey all around and you can't see where you are going, maybe that isn't for me after all, and i just learned it is against FAR so no way i am dong that it will hurt our sport
videos are what is really happening out there, none of them are bad. even if they are bad, they teach!
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NMERider
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| CAL wrote: |
videos are the way it is out there, they teach us either what to do or what not to do, believe it or not we Humans are smart, we can decide what fits our life style and how far we want to push the envelope.
the only thing that would concern me if a video hurts our sport, i have been guilty of that at times unknowingly
as far as safety is concerned, WE THE PEOPLE are responsible for ourselves and need to make proper judgements to maintain our own safety. we are responsible for ourselves to see that we are educated
unfortunately with unfair law suits going on out there when we do make errors it hurts our sport, when we do get hurt or killed, the law wants to take responsibility for it and ban us |
CAL - I seem to be confused so please bear with me. How exactly does a publicly posted hang gliding video teach us anything? Aren't they all there just for entertainment? Can you point me to any specific hang gliding videos that are endorsed by the USHPA and are purported to be instructional?
Has there ever been a hang gliding video posted that did any tangible damage such as getting a launch site or landing zone shut down? If there has been, can you post any links or cite any references?
Have any pilots ever been disciplined by their RDs for posting a video that showed something perceived as warranting such treatment?
Do you know any pilot who as ever tried to learn something from a video that was incorrect or unsafe and then got injured? If you do, I'd sure like to know who the pilot is and where the video they followed is located.
Thanks, Jonathan |
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NMERider
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| CAL wrote: |
| ...videos are what is really happening out there, none of them are bad. even if they are bad, they teach! |
Holy smokes, CAL! I think you may have really hit on something here! Does anyone else feel similarly? Is it possible that videos which show unsafe flying can actually have a positive influence by encouraging pilots to seeks expert instruction so they can avoid the same fate? |
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NMERider
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ....So the old juuuuish accountant can do it,remember he's one of the chosen people,you aint..... |
Eff an A Dave, That is seriously funny! 
Maybe I should compile a single video of every bad landing I have recorded and just post the damn thing? Let the censors rant and rave and throw their public tantrums all they want. I'll deal with my RDs after the trolling snitches report my ass for alleged unsafe flying.
There goes all my USHPA sponsorship and grant money--shot to Hades! |
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BBJCaptain
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously 
Jono, your videos show us HG pilots that are not born with the golden hg spoon in our mouths and don't fly in the most stable of
conditions on the planet, the "real world of HG" its not all Champagne and Caviar.
I have over 12,000 hrs of powered flight in every thing from a Cessna 150 to a 747 at airport locations all over the world, in every
wx condition you can imagine. If anyone thinks that every landing is picture perfect text-ed book every time, they are lying to them selves
or have a hidden agenda. (ush_a) I would venture to bet that they would even lie about spanking their monkey too!
As a Pilot you have to deal with the hand that you are dealt and make the best of it. This comes from experience, skill and the will to
live. Never stop flying the glider until the glider is broke down and in its bag!!
Rolla
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CAL
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| NMERider wrote: |
| CAL wrote: |
videos are the way it is out there, they teach us either what to do or what not to do, believe it or not we Humans are smart, we can decide what fits our life style and how far we want to push the envelope.
the only thing that would concern me if a video hurts our sport, i have been guilty of that at times unknowingly
as far as safety is concerned, WE THE PEOPLE are responsible for ourselves and need to make proper judgements to maintain our own safety. we are responsible for ourselves to see that we are educated
unfortunately with unfair law suits going on out there when we do make errors it hurts our sport, when we do get hurt or killed, the law wants to take responsibility for it and ban us |
CAL - I seem to be confused so please bear with me. How exactly does a publicly posted hang gliding video teach us anything? Aren't they all there just for entertainment? Can you point me to any specific hang gliding videos that are endorsed by the USHPA and are purported to be instructional?
Has there ever been a hang gliding video posted that did any tangible damage such as getting a launch site or landing zone shut down? If there has been, can you post any links or cite any references?
Have any pilots ever been disciplined by their RDs for posting a video that showed something perceived as warranting such treatment?
Do you know any pilot who as ever tried to learn something from a video that was incorrect or unsafe and then got injured? If you do, I'd sure like to know who the pilot is and where the video they followed is located.
Thanks, Jonathan |
i have learned a lot from videos, and no i don't know of any thing happening as you mentioned above, but have posted videos and got rebuked by a lot of pms saying i need to delete the video from youtube
the only statement that you made above that i feel is incorrect is the one that states that videos are for entertainment only, yes they are entertaining but more so, i have learned a bunch watching videos
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Davedebogusone
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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How would they know ?
Its not like your videos lead with a disclaimer like I used to teach helpers,
"Ive been me a long time,do not do anything you see me do." |
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asumpton
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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As a new pilot I watch your videos the same way I watch travel shows, well, if I did watch travel shows- "Oh wow that looks great! Maybe I'll fly there someday!"
I don't feel like videos give you a good enough sense of spatial relations to "learn how to XC" though. And you can't get "feel" through a video...
I enjoy watching 'em- keep them coming please! |
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Davedebogusone
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| NMERider wrote: |
| Davedebogusone wrote: |
| ....So the old juuuuish accountant can do it,remember he's one of the chosen people,you aint..... |
Eff an A Dave, That is seriously funny!
Maybe I should compile a single video of every bad landing I have recorded and just post the damn thing? Let the censors rant and rave and throw their public tantrums all they want. I'll deal with my RDs after the trolling snitches report my ass for alleged unsafe flying.
There goes all my USHPA sponsorship and grant money--shot to Hades! |
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Davedebogusone
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Bad landings ? Ive seen some that weren't pretty
No stretchers , so those dont count. |
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NMERider
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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....i have learned a lot from videos, and no i don't know of any thing happening as you mentioned above, but have posted videos and got rebuked by a lot of pms saying i need to delete the video from youtube
the only statement that you made above that i feel is incorrect is the one that states that videos are for entertainment only, yes they are entertaining but more so, i have learned a bunch watching videos |
CAL - I didn't know you got privately rebuked and removed any videos as a consequence. Was I one of the rebukers? When I see a video of a clear FAR 103 or USHPA SOP violation I usually try calling the poster on the phone before I send an email or PM. I have had to do this a few times but only a few.
My statement about 'entertainment' was just me yanking your chain, not unlike your thread about Wes and his T2. |
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NMERider
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ....I don't feel like videos give you a good enough sense of spatial relations to "learn how to XC" though. And you can't get "feel" through a video... |
Excellent point! Thanks for the intelligent input. BTW - I just posted a brand new edit of some footage I shot in February. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Thinking about this a bit, I suppose one could put together a video that was very focused on "teaching" and less so on relating the "sensation of the odyssey" . Pick out one "feat" from the XC, heavy use of "see you" replay (do I have this right?), lot of coaching voice-over... I kinda prefer the "odyssey" though 
Think I'll check out the new vid! Actually these ARE BAD videos- I can't accomplish a da** thing on the computer anymore!
| NMERider wrote: |
| asumpton wrote: |
| ....I don't feel like videos give you a good enough sense of spatial relations to "learn how to XC" though. And you can't get "feel" through a video... |
Excellent point! Thanks for the intelligent input. BTW - I just posted a brand new edit of some footage I shot in February. |
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