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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:53 am    Post subject: Looking into HG. Reply with quote #1   
Hello, I'm 16. Recently, I thought of selling my drum set to buy a hangglider just for fun and to fulfill my 'dream' of flying. [That will never happen].

I've been researching all over the Internet for answers, 'How much will a hangglider cost?'; 'Where can I get one?'. Beginner stuff. I've watched videos on hanggliding for beginners. Basically, I want one to have the feeling of how it is to fly and to fly whenever I want for fun on my own time. The more research I came by, the more I wanted to crumble up my dream of flying and throw it away like garbage.

I read more and more about 'needing professional instruction/training' basically going to school all over again. I wondered, 'Crap do I really need all of this bull sh*t to fly a simple hangglider?' I know I might. But seeing it everywhere a hang glider was mentioned, it also came to mind that these trainers teach people to hang glide for a living. Which means all of these 'professionals' are advertising to earn money. Of course, they need/want money. It may be that I really need a professional but it may just be that they wanna get paid.

I came to ask some simple questions:

1.) I live in the crappiest town populated right now in Texas. El Campo. There is absolutely NO hills or a place where I can jump off a cliff or somewhere elevated, like I see in videos. Can I still get a hang glider for fun and lift from from the ground in a large open field?

2.) Do I REALLY need a damn instructor? Or can I just buy a hang glider and have fun with it with a bit of read instructions online or learn myself like I have done with everything else? If the answer is yes, I will no longer look into hang gliding. Maybe it's just a phase
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:42 am    Post subject: Re: Looking into HG. Reply with quote #2   
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1.) I live in the crappiest town populated right now in Texas. El Campo. There is absolutely NO hills or a place where I can jump off a cliff or somewhere elevated, like I see in videos. Can I still get a hang glider for fun and lift from from the ground in a large open field?

Nope. If you want to fly in (most places in) Texas, you'll need to get towed into the air.

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2.) Do I REALLY need a damn instructor? Or can I just buy a hang glider and have fun with it with a bit of read instructions online or learn myself like I have done with everything else? If the answer is yes, I will no longer look into hang gliding. Maybe it's just a phase

Well, nobody with a tow rig is going to tow you up if you don't know what you're doing.

You'll probably get different responses to this. Most of them will say that you need instruction, just like you would for any kind of flying. A few will say that trying to hang glide without instruction won't necessarily mean that you'll die. Almost everybody will encourage you to pursue your dream. I, however, think you have the wrong attitude and should stick to drumming. Not that it matters living where you do, because the only way you'd get airborne is to get a friend to static-line tow you up with a truck, and I think almost everybody would agree that you'd more likely die than fly in that case.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:06 am    Post subject: Re: Looking into HG. Reply with quote #3   
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2.) Do I REALLY need a damn instructor? Or can I just buy a hang glider and have fun with it with a bit of read instructions online or learn myself like I have done with everything else? If the answer is yes, I will no longer look into hang gliding. Maybe it's just a phase


A hang glider LOOKS simple but it is actually a real aircraft / aeroplane.

You wouldn't buy a sailplane or a Cessna and teach yourself how to fly, would you? Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #4   
Stick to the drums. You have the completely wrong attitude to learn to fly anything. Just like anything else that's worth doing, learning to fly (anything) takes commitment and time and a positive attitude toward learning the skills necessary to do it safely. I think a skateboard might be more up your alley. Would you go skydiving without instruction? Scuba diving? Did you learn to drive a car without instruction? Hang gliding is a blast. But it can kill you real quick if you don't know what you're doing.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #5   
i have done both,i learned when there wasn't any instruction or ratings, we lost many pilots back then, there are still a few survivors left, i gave it up for several years then took the sport up again, i wanted all the instruction and knowledge i could get, plus i needed to be rated to fly several sites and purchase hang gliding equipment

there have been many changes since i first learned, our equipment and the knowledge we have. hang gliding is so much more fun and i have learned so much more to make my flying dream so much more rewarding,

the good news is all you need to do is show up, the instructor will have all the equipment needed to get you into the sky, you can make your decision from there, my guess is the drums will become history and money used will be used to have the greatest experience know to man, there is know greater feeling then feeling the glider tighten your harness straps, then feeling your feet leave the ground

instructors are passionate about flight and love to share there experience with the world, and yes they need money as everyone does to support themselves

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #6   
You make it sound like there are no options near you.

Hang Glide Texas regularly tows out of Columbus, just what, 30 miles from El Campo and the were recently doing tow training in Wharton, a whole 12 miles from El Campo.

Most people would call that opportunity to learn and fly with a local club. None is more blind than he who refuses to see.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #7   
Another thing you'll learn on your own is that you really do need an instructor. Buy a glider and get out in a 20 mph wind on a flat field and see how the glider feels (if you can successfully set it up in a 20 mph wind). You'll soon realize that you've bit off more than you can chew. Oh yeah, buy a good helmet too + have all spectators stand upwind.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Looking into HG. Reply with quote #8   
HackerExecute wrote:
Hello, I'm 16. Recently, I thought of selling my drum set to buy a hangglider just for fun and to fulfill my 'dream' of flying. [That will never happen].

Hacker,

Wanna bet? I've seen every tool and toy known to Man take a back seat to flying HG. Cool
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I've been researching all over the Internet for answers, The more research I came by, the more I wanted to crumble up my dream of flying and throw it away like garbage.
I read more and more about 'needing professional instruction/training' basically going to school all over again. I wondered, 'Crap do I really need all of this bull sh*t to fly a simple hangglider?' I know I might.

It ain't school taught by old geeks, you are gonna meet some great people who teach, and just as friends, in the flying community. The BS you might expect will turn out to be mostly life-saving stuff (your life). It's worth your time, but you will be flying as you are learning.
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everywhere a hang glider was mentioned, it also came to mind that these trainers teach people to hang glide for a living. It may be that I really need a professional but it may just be that they wanna get paid.

Yeah, to both. You don't want a fool teaching you, and good HG instructors (you will come to believe) are not getting rich. Some are driven by money, though. On the better side, they have all the gear that you will need, so you do not have to buy anything until you really know how to fly, and what is the best gear for you.
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I came to ask some simple questions:
1.)There is absolutely NO hills or a place where I can jump off a cliff or somewhere elevated, like I see in videos. Can I still get a hang glider for fun and lift from from the ground in a large open field?
2.) Do I REALLY need a damn instructor? Or can I just buy a hang glider and have fun with it with a bit of read instructions online or learn myself like I have done with everything else? If the answer is yes, I will no longer look into hang gliding. Maybe it's just a phase

1. People tow up, in Texas. (I moved, to the Rocky Mountains). Hills are fine, but cliffs need very special skills. Learning all you need on-line, then taking each bit out to practice alone, will take forever. Oh yeah, you need to find a decent hill, if you are going solo. Safety tip #1: Air in the middle of the day can be treacherous, even dangerous, to a new pilot. Learn to fly in the smooth air of mornings and evenings. Do you really believe that's all you need to know?
2. Having a tow rig there, you will want somebody who knows how to keep you alive at the other end. Ever crash a kid's string kite? Stuff can go very wrong, and air will not give you a do-over. Knowledge is the key to safety here, and lives (or limbs) were lost in gaining that knowledge. Learning alone is just not a good bet; you only get issued one body. After severe injury, any person who remains confined to bed or living in a wheelchair is proof to you that some injuries are permanent. Superman (Christopher Reeves) fell off a horse! I have flown HG for over thirty years, flown high with the eagles, and I'm looking forward to a great summer this year, too. A record-setting long-distance flight (400+ miles) started from flat ground in Texas.

Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:22 am    Post subject: Jet Pack Reply with quote #9   
Build your own glider. Strap a jet pack on to it. Say hi to Elvis for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: Looking into HG. Reply with quote #10   
HackerExecute wrote:
Do I REALLY need a damn instructor? Or can I just buy a hang glider and have fun with it


Heh. I knew this would be an entertaining thread... popcorn

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: Jet Pack Reply with quote #11   
tom emery wrote:
Build your own glider. Strap a jet pack on to it. Say hi to Elvis for me.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #12   

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #13   
Don't let the negative responses above get you down. Many experienced pilots have seen way too many friends get hurt in this sport. Take to heart what they're saying, but stay positive about your dream to fly.

You're 16, you say. Finances are probably a barrier for you right now. Hang gliding has a steep entry cost, but once you're trained and have your equipment, often the only costs are gas money and dinner afterward.

It can be hard to take things slow at your age, but take your time. Go get a lesson or two to get some first hand experience. Save up some money and work at it slowly. Find experienced local pilots to talk to. Don't get too involved in internet discussion boards.

my 2 cents.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #14   
I would bet almost every new pilot has wondered about the need for qualified instruction. Most of us have moments where we think we're special and can just "do it" if we're given a chance.

I remember when I was first learning, I would day dream and muse about launching from trees, launching from house roofs, flying home and landing in my backyard, towing myself up on a rope behind my car. The captivation of flight is great and we can enjoy the experience of excitement!

But, when it comes down to make real decisions about what you're going to actually do, let the musing die for a moment and think about the facts. There are plenty of stories around of people who tried to do it themselves and got hurt or killed.

Plus, think of instruction along the lines of apprenticeship. You can't learn kung fu without a sensei, right?

I am often awed by the abilities of experienced pilots to find lift in the worst conditions, to pull off sublime launches and landings, and to man up and back off launch when conditions aren't right. Why wouldn't I try to take advantage of their instruction and mentorship?!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #15   
Bobfly wrote:
Stick to the drums. You have the completely wrong attitude to learn to fly anything. Just like anything else that's worth doing, learning to fly (anything) takes commitment and time and a positive attitude toward learning the skills necessary to do it safely. I think a skateboard might be more up your alley. Would you go skydiving without instruction? Scuba diving? Did you learn to drive a car without instruction? Hang gliding is a blast. But it can kill you real quick if you don't know what you're doing.


I wouldn't mind to skydive without instruction or scuba dive. I did learn to drive a car without instruction then later I actually got the instruction.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Jet Pack Reply with quote #16   
tom emery wrote:
Build your own glider. Strap a jet pack on to it. Say hi to Elvis for me.


That's actually very funny. Tell me, how will I say hi to Elvis if I am dead?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #17   
Not only do you need instruction and to drive a whopping 15 to 30 miles but you also need to be mentally mature enough to hang glide. Some people have the maturity before they are 16 and some people never get it....I ain't nothin but a hound dog
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Jet Pack Reply with quote #18   
tom emery wrote:
Build your own glider. Strap a jet pack on to it. Say hi to Elvis for me.



One of the best responses I've ever read on this forum
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #19   
HackerExecute wrote:
I wouldn't mind to skydive without instruction or scuba dive. I did learn to drive a car without instruction then later I actually got the instruction.


Until you don't decompress right, get the bends, and die.
Skydiving... if someone else packs your chute you might survive. Of course you'd probably pull way too early your first time, and end up miles away from the DZ.

Driving a car... meh, I don't really think much instruction is needed.
Adults over 18 don't need to take courses, just pass a test. I'm sure it was a boon to the industry when 16 YOs were allowed to drive, but only if they took a course.

As to instruction for HG, what you are seeing here may be a case of Effort-Justification:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort_justification

also related to confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.

*If you had access to a gently rolling 20-40' high hill, and a large single surface glider, I'd personally think it would be OK to start the learning process on your own, as the worst that I could see happening if you followed appropriate advice (ie don't fly in wind over 10 mph, don't fly midday when there is turbulence, etc) would be a broken arm (well, spiral fracture of the humerus).
Moving higher risks death (but you could learn basic launch and landing skills, thus saving you time/money with an instructor to progress higher).
I also think any HG pilot could guide you more or less appropriately (perhaps not optimally), even if they aren't certified as an "instructor"


But since you'll be relying on towing... you could easily get into life threatening trouble straight away.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #20   
A person will do whatever it takes to make a dream come true if they really want it. Honestly, your "dream" sounds more like a phase to me. The fact of the matter is you will be putting yourself in serious danger by not getting lessons. You're thinking about getting into something that can potentially kill you with the smallest mistake. Why would you want to risk your life like that? Is it not wiser to use risk management and spend the extra money to possibly save your life?
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