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Mavi Gogun 1 thumbs up


Joined: 26 Jun 2009 Posts: 973 Location: Istanbul (not Constantinople)
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject: Dimpled Helmet |
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http://university.tri-sports.com/2012/03/29/garneau-vorttice-helmet/
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| The golf ball dimples disturb the flow of air around the helmet, called the boundary layer, to make it easier for the object to move through using less energy. As with golf balls, this increases travel with given energy, especially at low speeds. The truncated shape has been adopted by Trek, Cervelo and other manufacturers to make shapes more effective over wider yaw angles. The “strakes” or raised, sideways ”V” protrusions on the helmet are oriented where the helmet’s laminar boundary layer begins to “depart” or detach, potentially creating drag. These strakes prevent the resulting vacuum from boundary layer detachment by keeping the flow of air turbulent at lower pressure. |
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jjcote 3 thumbs up


Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Posts: 3216 Location: Lunenburg, MA, USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, maybe. It's also possible that the dimples are there in an attempt to keep the customer from remaining attached to his money, and were designed by somebody in the style and advertising department. _________________ H4 + various skills (only foot-launch so far)
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Mavi Gogun 1 thumbs up


Joined: 26 Jun 2009 Posts: 973 Location: Istanbul (not Constantinople)
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| Ya- they can't sucker me into paying for what I can do to myself with a razor and hammer. |
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CHassan 3 thumbs up


Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 4593 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Golf ball dimples work great on golf balls. I guess. I have never hit a smooth golf ball. Not that you can compare any of my hits side by side and expect even a slight bit of consistency.
I'm sure that ram air intake is quite aerodynamic too. _________________ Airborne Climax 14 (C1)
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There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. … Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties. ~~~Douglas Adams |
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Mavi Gogun 1 thumbs up


Joined: 26 Jun 2009 Posts: 973 Location: Istanbul (not Constantinople)
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| CHassan wrote: |
| I'm sure that ram air intake is quite aerodynamic too. |
The air intake assures that the wearer's head stays fully inflated and maintains shape at speed. |
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old newbie 3 thumbs up

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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Somehow that hole in the forehead is just screaming fence post, branch, sniper target.
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Bondy 3 thumbs up

Joined: 02 Apr 2009 Posts: 425 Location: Perth WA
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:14 am Post subject: |
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I tried one of these helmets but when i use my #1 driver it still slices .
Thought it would have worked better fully dimpled with a more diagonal pattern. _________________ You only live twice
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Scorl 3 thumbs up


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Bobfly 3 thumbs up


Joined: 13 Nov 2009 Posts: 3699 Location: San Diego, Ca.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Mythbusters covered a car with 2-3 inches of clay and then dimpled it. The result was reduced drag and a significant increase in gas mileage despite the weight of all that clay. Dimples work and airflow turbulators work too. Don't know how effective it would all be at hg airspeeds but for xc competitions, anything that stretches glide and reduces drag is a benefit. Looks odd but then, so do I.  _________________ Freedom 170 FR |
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Mavi Gogun 1 thumbs up


Joined: 26 Jun 2009 Posts: 973 Location: Istanbul (not Constantinople)
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:16 am Post subject: |
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That was the first episode of Mythbusters I watched- just 'cuz of possible HG applicability.
| Bobfly wrote: |
| Mythbusters covered a car with 2-3 inches of clay and then dimpled it. The result was *snip* |
-not at all conclusive, given their method (2 cars, different circumstances). They didn't just run a single car on a test track, they took them on the road and drove around, and the differences in economy was way to close for any error margin- they didn't even empirically establish a pre-test base line for the modified car.
Mythbusters is entrainment- not science. |
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Vrezh 2 thumbs up


Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 364 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Good find, Mavi.
They don't mention any sort of aerodynamic engineering or wind tunnel studies.
Wood it be a "gut feeling" type of design or what?
I do believe it has merits, though. I would totally try it out (after taping the forehead
hole).
One way to judge the aerodynamic qualities of a helmet is to observe the wind
noise level in flight (something I learned by going trough helmets over the years). |
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kukailimoku 3 thumbs up


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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Seems like the big air scoop located just above the little goatee might negate the dimple's effect.... _________________ Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member of congress.
But I repeat myself.
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Bobfly 3 thumbs up


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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| kukailimoku wrote: |
| Seems like the big air scoop located just above the little goatee might negate the dimple's effect.... |
I think it's for hotheads.  _________________ Freedom 170 FR |
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dangarlandut1 3 thumbs up


Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Posts: 80 Location: Salt Lake City
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:14 am Post subject: Golf ball dimples work - on cars, on golf balls - they work! |
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Golf ball dimples work - on cars, on golf balls - they work!
Just watched a MythBusters TV Episode last night. They tested identical brand smooth and dimpled golf balls with a Pro Driving them, the dimpled went 890 feet and the smooth went 550 or so. "Like hitting a brick", quote the PDGA pro.
Then they made an elaborate Clay covered Automobile, and tested it with and without dimples. With Dimples, 29MPG. Without 26MPG.
FYI: as they always do, Mythbusters DID establish various scientific baselines from sample sets, for the golf ball, for the (only one car used due to slight differences in each car of the same model) car: unmodified, clay-modified, clay-dimpled (with exact dimple clay weight in back seat to keep weight the same). |
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tom emery 3 thumbs up


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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: How |
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| So, how much does it cost? |
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Mavi Gogun 1 thumbs up


Joined: 26 Jun 2009 Posts: 973 Location: Istanbul (not Constantinople)
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's like $250... and irrelevant for me: I require mine to have a dimpled chin guard, too. |
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pipefuser 2 thumbs up


Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 51 Location: Douglasville Ga
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:52 pm Post subject: Dimples |
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My first girlfriend had dimples and she was real fast. _________________ WW F3
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Avnav8r 3 thumbs up


Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 994 Location: Trenton, Georgia
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Dimples |
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| pipefuser wrote: |
| My first girlfriend had dimples and she was real fast. |
You hope she didn't say the same about you!
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www.osceolabaldeagle.com _________________ To err is human. To blame it on someone else, shows management potential. |
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jjcote 3 thumbs up


Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Posts: 3216 Location: Lunenburg, MA, USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Dimples definitely work on a golf ball. But there are a number of differences between a golf ball and a helmet (e.g. a helmet doesn't spin), and I wouldn't necessarily think that scaling the dimples proportionally would be the right thing to do. This just strikes me as something that was developed by a simple principle: "Hey, people know that dimples work on golf balls, and helmets are round, so let's make the helmet look like a golf ball, and people will buy them because they'll think it will work the same way". _________________ H4 + various skills (only foot-launch so far)
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Vrezh 2 thumbs up


Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 364 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Dimples work, spinning or not.
Even Atomic went to an extent to make the upper surfaces of
their racing skis sort of "dimpled". |
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