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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:47 am    Post subject: New USHPA Guidelines for Insured Sites Reply with quote #1   
This was just posted by Dan Tomlinson, our Regional Director, on the message board of one of the local flying clubs (CHGPA.org).

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Critical Issue from USHPA HQ meeting

Postby Dan T » Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:36 pm
The question of site insurance and insurability was far and away the most important issue addressed at the recently completed USHPA semi-annual Director's meeting. As most of you know, we are facing a crises regarding our ability to maintain affordable site insurance. The reason that this is critically important is because all of our sites on public lands require site insurance, and nearly all of our sites on private property do as well. This is true throughout the Nation and not just the sites maintained by the CHGPA. The loss of site insurance will result in the loss of most, if not all, of the sites most frequently visited by CHPGA member pilots.

In a previous post I mentioned that we are facing a significant increase in our site insurance costs. Unfortunately that is not the major concern. The major concern is that we might not be able to obtain insurance at all. This is a very real possibility that should not be ignored by any foot launch pilot desiring to continue in the sport. The USHPA HQ staff considers the potential loss of site insurance to be among the most serious threats to our existence it has ever faced.

Our existing insurer has advised us that producing and implementing a "risk mitigation plan" could significantly increase the likelihood that they will continue to insure us in the future. (To date our existing insurer is the only one who has expressed a willingness to insure us at any price.) The USHPA Site Committee has produced the 'framework' of such a plan. It is a framework because the plan requires appending so that it addresses the unique characteristics of each individual insured launch and designated landing area. Each USHPA chapter that has insured site maintenance responsibilities will be expected to contribute to this risk mitigation plan.

The agreed upon method of assuring that the site specific documents are completed and implemented is to have each chapter appoint two safety officers (one each HG and PG) who will be responsible for assuring that their chapter completes it's documentation and implementation obligations. The safety officers responsibility is to assure that the written document provides an appropriate and realistic safety margin to assure that non-waivered personnel (i.e. spectators, etc) are kept out of harms way and that the risk of property damage (particularly resulting from collisions with power lines) is mitigated. Additionally the safety officers will be responsible for assuring that the written risk mitigation procedures are implemented. This means, for example, that if our written document says we will provide space behind launch sufficient to keep spectators at least X feet from the launch area, that we will in fact construct and maintain the launch site such that the space exists. It does not mean that the safety officers are individually responsible for assuring that all spectators remain in the designated safety zone. That is the responsibility of all of the pilots utilizing the site at that time.

Our insurer has provided us with a 90 day extension to our existing policy. They expect us to have a reasonably comprehensive risk mitigation plan in place by that time. Their emphasis is on sites that pose hazards to insured personnel and property. Remote seldom visited sites that do not have nearby power lines or similar personal property hazards are secondary priorities. In order to meet the 90 day requirement all of the chapters need to appoint two safety officers to spearhead this task. They may be existing officers of the local chapter, in which case they would simply take on the additional title and responsibilities.

By this announcement I am requesting that the CHGPA and each of the other chapters located in the southern portion of Region 9 promptly appoint two safety officers for the purpose of fulfilling our obligation to produce and implement site specific supplements to the USHPA produced risk mitigation plan. My expectation is that the other Region 9 co-director will make a similar request for the northern portion of the Region.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #2   
That's a good post JR. Shows the trend that eventually will engulf most if not all regulated sites.
Since we live in a sue happy environment, guess we have to keep adapting to the changing times. It's the American way.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:49 am    Post subject: Insurance Reply with quote #3   
Just wondering if it's possible to "self insure" or post a bond to satisfy legal requirements. If only one insurance company is willing to insure then they can pretty much dictate any conditions. Sounds more like coercion.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Insurance Reply with quote #4   
tom emery wrote:
Just wondering if it's possible to "self insure" or post a bond to satisfy legal requirements. If only one insurance company is willing to insure then they can pretty much dictate any conditions. Sounds more like coercion.


Maybe so, but I think it's more of CYA.

I had to do a risk mitigation plan for the Coast Guard a few years ago. Did not have one prior to that. Requirement was quite indepth. Not only analyze possible risk but also incorporate a routine training plan.

My paranoid opinion: the days of a blanket insurance that will cover anything is over. Isurers want to reduce their losses and liability. Put the liability back on the insured by requiring an assessment and training, then if its not followed, the insurer is not liable.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #5   
It all depends on what the landowner/manager requires. There's only one insured site in Massachusetts, which is a motel, where the owner wants coverage if people are going to be flying off of his back lawn. Most of the other sites I can think of are on public land, and the ones that are on state park property are presumably covered by the park's insurance, or for some other reason they don't require us to supply coverage. A couple of other sites are on public land where the governing authority is presumably aware that we fly (some of them have regulations regarding flying), but they don't seem to require insurance, either. Another site is (I think) on private land, and nobody says anything (as long as it's only PGs -- flights by HGs risk spurring the neighbors to call the police), and there are a couple of others that I don't know the status of, but they aren't flown very often. Bear in mind that all but two of these sites rarely get used by more than a half-dozen pilots in a day, and there's only one that gets used more than a few times a year.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #6   
Many complain about the USHPA. Our Chapter has five active flying sites. We would lose four of them without site insurance. Providing site insurance (even if it is not your particular site) is an indispensible objective of our national organization.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:36 pm    Post subject: A couple of quick things... Reply with quote #7   
Just off work and grabbing a bite after getting back today from the BOD meeting. I need to get back to work early, so I can't spend a lot of time tonight typing. (New job in the robotics/automation industry as of last week.)

You'll be getting an email tomorrow from me via the USHPA office with some more details. We have a lot of work to do, but I think we have a good chance of making this all turn out OK in the end. We're going to need everybody to work together and focus on risk management, but we CAN do that.

It's not just about insured sites. They're a small percentage of the total, though they may be some of our higher-profile stes, but the insurance applies wherever we fly. It does not defend the landowner directly except at insured sites, but everywhere else we get site access privileges because landowners know that we're responsible and able to make good on any damage we might cause when flying. Lose the pilot policy, and I expect most landowners would shut us down.

This is NOT about the insurers ducking out of covering accidents, or looking for loopholes. The intent is to convince them that we can bring down the recent spate of claims and associated legal defense costs, so the loss ratio goes back to something reasonable. They are NOT carving out exceptions to the coverage.

Self insurance is a last ditch desperation move. We REALLY don't want to go there. We'd need to raise a lot of cash, either with a massive fundraising campaign, or by selling high-yield corporate bonds. Either way, it's a huge task and very risky. We'd have to be prepared to put a couple million down as security, and then convince landowners that we'd be good for the money if a claim happened. That doesn't even begin to consider the legal and regulatory hurdles, some of which could be deal-breakers.

Gotta sleep for a bit and go to work. More tomorrow evening maybe.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: A couple of quick things... Reply with quote #8   
mgforbes wrote:
The intent is to convince them that we can bring down the recent spate of claims and associated legal defense costs, so the loss ratio goes back to something reasonable.
Mark G. Forbes
USHPA insurance chairman


Mark,
As a USHPA member, I'm curious what the number of claims are per year and the amount. And not to ruffle any feathers, what the break down of HG and PG are.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:21 am    Post subject: Re: A couple of quick things... Reply with quote #9   
Hangskier wrote:
mgforbes wrote:
The intent is to convince them that we can bring down the recent spate of claims and associated legal defense costs, so the loss ratio goes back to something reasonable.
Mark G. Forbes
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Mark,
As a USHPA member, I'm curious what the number of claims are per year and the amount. And not to ruffle any feathers, what the break down of HG and PG are.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #10   
This is third party liability insurance.

It means that when we hit a spectator, they can sue and our insurance company basically pays for the lawyers or settles the claim.

Now, does how much damage would a hang glider do to a spectator compared to a paraglider?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #11   
davisstraub wrote:
This is third party liability insurance.

It means that when we hit a spectator, they can sue and our insurance company basically pays for the lawyers or settles the claim.

Now, does how much damage would a hang glider do to a spectator compared to a paraglider?


You mean a glider grazing a spectator or a 200lb paraglider dropping straight down on top of a spectator?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #12   
davisstraub wrote:
Now, does how much damage would a hang glider do to a spectator compared to a paraglider?

Historically, by my far from complete records of overseas accidents...
It has been very largely Paragliders landing in very tight areas HGers could not land in, primarily parks and beaches.

Hang Gliders injuring spectators is very rare, though the reports are one happened recently in the USA.

This is not slamming PGers. Just the limited info I have.
Getting hit by a Hang Glider / side wires ... is obviously as dangerous
(if not more so) as getting tangled up in PG lines.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #13   
Prior to the outcome of this USHPA meeting, and with no knowledge of it,
Dion Vuk, an excellent PG instructor and WCSC Director developed the following questionairre.

I made a couple of minor adjustments and posted this on the FlyOK.ca Website:
http://www.flyok.ca/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=771

It is an initial rough draft.
Comments and suggestions are welcome.
No one has had time to respond to it yet, so give with ideas to add!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #14   
Regional Paragliding & Hang Gliding Site Survey 2012

Dion Vuk, WCSC Site Director wrote:
Pilots,
We are conducting a Paragliding & Hang Gliding Site Survey for 2012. Please share your knowledge. Thanks

Great idea, copied here for our purposes. Thanks go to Dion Vuk. http://www.iparaglide.com/paragliding-blog-vancouver/2012/3/21/2012-wcsc-paragliding-sites-survey.html

Pilots: We hope everyone is off to a great spring and looking forward to this new paragliding & hang gliding season.

We have some proactive and productive ISC and OSA meetings coming up shortly.
The Vernon OSA Club meets Friday March 23'd at 6:00 PM at Toro's Pub - Kal Lake Rd.
The Kelowna ISC Club meets Tuesday April 3'd at 7:00 PM at Dakota's.

A new initiative for 2012 is to start to formally tracking our Thomson / Okanagan / Revelstoke flying site's status, so we can:
- quantify which sites are presently still in use;
- quantify which sites need the most attention;
- identify specific works required;
- budget;
- raise funds if required;
- gather volunteers, contractors and equipment resources;
- and establish routine maintenance schedules for each;
- develop an overview of the general level of how safe the site is and what needs to be done to rectify the needs.

We want to get a baseline snapshot of the status for each flying site’s Launch, LZ, Road and access issues as well as any related Safety and / or side issues for spring 2012.

So we need your help and vital input, to make the baseline assessment and hopefully revitalize
interest for the resurrection of the less known and used flying sites and/or create new opportunities.

We also want to involve ALL of our pilots in site exploration, procuring, inspection, maintenance and preservation.
This is our common interest and future in building the sport of paragliding and hang gliding!

This shouldn't take more than 30 minutes of your time and we will make this information readily available to all pilots.
We want to capture and share this knowledge as we have a lot of eyes driving up and down remote roads and it well help all to share this info.

Please only complete a survey for each specific flying site you have personally flown within the last year,
as we are looking for current information in terms of how much LZ / road / launch was overgrown end of season last year and road status prior / following the winter.

Each paragliding / hang gliding site has a separate status for LZ / Road / Launch and each component can be ranked on quantitative scale:
- 100%: item is great, no obstructing: growth, trees, terrain or weather/drainage
- 80%: item is good, but to make it safer, 4 pilots with hand tools and pick-up could fix in 4hrs
- 60%: item is marginal, 8 pilots, two pick-ups and hand tools could fix in 16 hrs
- 40%: item is unsatisfactory and will require small to medium machinery and 16 or more pilots to fix
- 20%: item is poor, site should not be flown, and will require major machinery and manpower to resolve
- 0%: item is closed and it is difficult to imagine re-opening without major equipment/manpower/funds

The Sites we want to survey are all of those throughout the Thompson / Okanagan / Revelstoke areas
(and add any you've been to not on this Site Guide List) ...

So please reply to this post (or PM me here) in the following format to make data easy to compile:

Site: LZ % / Road % / Launch % / Safety %
Details: spell out the specifics of why you assigned your numbers
_________________________________________

An example:

"Mara: ± 100% / 80% / 60%" / 80% (LZ / Road / Launch / Safety)
"Details: Was there Sept. 18.
a) The Poirier Rd LZ is awesome but it is up for sale again. Some rich pilot needs to secure this LZ for us.
You would be hard pressed to find an LZ with nicer / easier air to land at. Turbulence is almost unknown there.

b) Road has ruts and rocks and areas need grading or fill
- its pretty much 4WD or High Clearance 2WD with a good low gear now... unless you don't care too much about your car.
Tolko will grade it when they log. We should proactively arrange for them to be ready to put in culverts when they do it, rather than dig cross ditches again.
In the mean time, 1 or two people can do the necessary repairs all in one day (Spring and Fall) that keeps its status open as is for the year.

c) Launch will be hydroseeded this spring. That will require all pilots to use the North and South alternate launches for at least this year.
That will require major work parties, likely for more than one day or weekend... to get the other two launches up to snuff
- let alone all the other brushing Doug is planning for the main launch.
See: http://www.flyok.ca/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=744
d) The only known Safety issue is being addressed with a planned work party this spring to clear brush and small trees below and beside the launch. The LZ is fine if not perfect.

Let's get the variety of sites and adventure in paragliding and hang gliding soaring to new heights in 2012!

Thanks in advance for your participation.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #15   
Let this be a lesson. Never let a non-pilot get injured without finishing the job. Take his whole family down too if you see a glimmer of sue-happy entitlement in their eyes

Wait, is it too late?

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