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Andrew Vanis
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 Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:18 am Post subject: Thumbs down what does it mean/do? + thoughts on forum admin |
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Thumbs down what does it mean/do? + thoughts on forum admin
Personally the second post below gave me a morning giggle. (edit after original composition – this has turned serious now that either noman or spork are being voted out)
From here – http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=22067&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:51 pm
“Really sick of this feud.
The thumbs down stalking continues too after a warning. (spork)
To make it even since both have been breaking rules at this point.... the next person that thumbs down the other after MIDNIGHT tonight, east coast tonight, will be insta-BANNED. Dont have time for this BULLSHIT, and your pissing contest is covering everyone else here in urine. END THIS CRAP NOW.
THREAD LOCKED.”
The “raters” as of 7:40am MST were “jjcote” and “spork”,
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:37 am
“An admin of a forum warns you about your aggressive thumbs downing behavior, and you thumbs down the admins warning?
REALLLYYY?”
The “rater” of 7:40 it was “jjcote”
1 - This thread is to comment/analyze the “spork/noman” issue as an example, NOT as them or their topics specifically.
2 - This thread is to find out what a thumbs down means and does.
So what does the thumbs down mean and do?
I’ve always thought it allows the reader to convey how they felt about that post.
Does it do more than that?
Like if there are numerous thumbs down, does the post get deleted or something?
Why is thumbing something down bad?
Why have the rating possibility if it can’t be used?
3 – How can this experience be applied to forum protocol? Some here have suggested that USHPA should have a forum. Let’s say it did. How should that forum deal with outlier issues like what happened here. Including the messages, language, and tone of a member(s) [like noman/spork] or the subsequent actions of the ultimate moderator [like SG]
Please do respond to the situation in general (not noman/spork/SG specific)
Please do not respond with off topic concepts like “USHPA should/should not have a forum”
What position should a group like USHPA take here and how should it act if it were the ultimate moderator in a case like this?
PS. Not sure what forum this topic should go into. Posted in HGgeneral, move as appropriate
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Thumbs down what does it mean/do? + thoughts on forum ad |
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The “rater” of 7:40 it was “jjcote”
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The FIRST thumbsdown rater was spork at 1:33am
jjcote voted later.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:31 am Post subject: |
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The thumbs rating system is used by people to give props to good posts by users and thumbs down bad/distasteful posts.
All the rated posts are put together to give a user an overall thumbs up rating on the site.
The system can be abused if someone has a personal vendetta and systematically starts giving a particular user all thumbs down posts to bring his total site thumb rating down, as has happened recently.
Some people really value their over all thumbs rating, others could care less.
If the system gets abused, and used as a weapon to make someones posting average look less valuable, then a moderator should do something about that abuse.
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Andrew Vanis
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:36 am Post subject: Re: Thumbs down what does it mean/do? + thoughts on forum ad |
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The FIRST thumbsdown rater was spork at 1:33am
jjcote voted later. |
True, turns out the most recent rater is listed first on the report.
My report was a list as of the time I looked at it and was not meant to chronologically order the raters. I can see how it could have been read that way. Thanks for clearing that up.
The order of votes MAY only have inferred meaning when voters are presented the option to vote at the same time which does not happen on a self selecting forum like this w/o special arrangement.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: |
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The point is, an admin warned a user about aggressive down voting, and the same user immediately down voted the admin warning in defiance. A lot of admins would not put up with rebellious crap like this and just ban them right there.
Its an important distinction, because if it was only jjcote that down voted my warning, as you posted, it would not have meant too much. But it was spork taking a defiant shot at the admin.
In any case, no matter WHAT a mod/admin does, a certain percentage of people will ALWAYS be unhappy with their decision. ALWAYS. So it sucks when two people are feuding and put me in a position where im forced to make a decision, and then half the site gets pissed at me.
So THANKS A LOT guys. NOT.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Thumbs down what does it mean/do? + thoughts on forum ad |
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| sg wrote: |
The FIRST thumbsdown rater was spork at 1:33am
jjcote voted later. |
True, turns out the most recent rater is listed first on the report.
My report was a list as of the time I looked at it and was not meant to chronologically order the raters. I can see how it could have been read that way. Thanks for clearing that up.
The order of votes MAY only have inferred meaning when voters are presented the option to vote at the same time which does not happen on a self selecting forum like this w/o special arrangement. |
That's right. spork had already put his thumbs-down on sg's first message, and sg had posted the second message in response to that when I came along. At that point I added my thumbs-down to spork's on the first message, and also put a thumbs-down on the second. (I can't remember if I've ever put a thumbs-down or a thumbs-up on any messages before -- I don't think so.)
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Thumbs down what does it mean/do? + thoughts on forum ad |
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| Andrew Vanis wrote: |
| What position should a group like USHPA take here and how should it act if it were the ultimate moderator in a case like this? |
I take it that you are looking for an automated system to moderate an open forum?
The person doing the rating needs to have some involvement too.
For a negative rating, I would set it up to prevent the rater from posting or rating for at lest a week.
That way it cost something to both parties to "argue".
(one gets the bad rating and the other gets a temporary ban)
I have attempted this very subject back in 2008 called "One Thumb Down".
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=8452&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
I found it very interesting that the very first post was given a two thumb rating.
If you click on the two thumbs you see that five hang glider pilots voted three thumbs up and bradgeary (used paraglider salesman at Torrey) tried to "sink this". 
The one thumb down topic was my response to a thumb down that I got on this post (and I did manage to remove it by arguing?).
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?p=71931#71931
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Thumbs down what does it mean/do? + thoughts on forum ad |
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| (I can't remember if I've ever put a thumbs-down or a thumbs-up on any messages before -- I don't think so.) |
And I can tell you I've certainly never before put a thumbs down vote on any SG post. I've considered him a friend for a very long time, and I respect his position as the owner and administrator of this forum. But when he posts misinformation about me in public while not giving me the opportunity to respond with words, a down vote on the post in question is the only option left to me.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:14 am Post subject: |
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OK so I just noticed this "Bias" thing in the rate window. I see even if I didn't do the rating, I can change a persons Bias smiley. Does this change what shows for everyone or just me?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:29 am Post subject: |
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On june 2
I wrote to you(spork): "Noman is reporting that you are still thumbs downing him on every post "
You responded that you are only putting thumbs down on posts you find particularly stupid or offensive, which given both of your histories is pretty much ALL/most of nomans posts.
You want to play a technical game with definitions. But im not playing that game.
You continued to down vote nomans posts with bad intent after my warnings.
Pretty sure you dont see it this way, but its obvious to me and I bet its obvious to others too. Why dont you ask JB if he thinks your down voting is fair vs agenda based and report back to me.
I know where I would place my bets.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Now they are all thumbs down! ha ha
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| Now they are all thumbs down! ha ha |
Its give the mod more work day apparently.
1st WARNING: stop abusing the rating system.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Thumbs down what does it mean/do? + thoughts on forum ad |
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[quote="SeeMarkFly] I have attempted this very subject back in 2008 called "One Thumb Down".
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=8452&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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Interesting.
Maybe SG can confirm how the ranking calculations are made but a quick calc shows that the “average” of a post may be two thumbs up. So if as many folks give it a thumb down as give it three thumbs up you will end up with two thumbs up.
Mark’s cited ranking
My calcs (guessing on algorithm)
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| sg wrote: |
Why dont you ask JB if he thinks your down voting is fair vs agenda based and report back to me.
I know where I would place my bets. |
I've talked to him about it. You're welcome to do the same.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Man!!!!
Citing some above posts - This post was about trying to gain understanding.
Spork/SG, if you can, please respect the – “Please do respond to the situation in general (not noman/spork/SG specific)”
Rafaelcjr????? What’s the point?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Man!!!!
Citing some above posts - This post was about trying to gain understanding.
Spork/SG, if you can, please respect the – “Please do respond to the situation in general (not noman/spork/SG specific)”il: |
It was my intent to do so. I am not able to respond to SG's misinformation about me on the thread he locked - but I am inclined to respond to him here - if he MUST post here.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Now they are all thumbs down! ha ha
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Man!!!!
Citing some above posts - This post was about trying to gain understanding.
Spork/SG, if you can, please respect the – “Please do respond to the situation in general (not noman/spork/SG specific)”
Rafaelcjr????? What’s the point?
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The Point???
It's amazing the stupid things that grown men spend their valuable time bitching about.
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