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Darbbb 2 thumbs up


Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 853 Location: Western Maryland
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:18 am Post subject: What you wish you'd known then? |
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The recent thread on pushing out on the Falcon in a thermal was a good one for us newbies (I am H1.5, as my instructor says). I wish we had more questions that turned into learning clinics for hang 1s and 2s. So, it got me thinking....what do you wish you had known as a hang 1 or brand-new hang 2? Something that would have helped you, or kept you out of danger, or made your training more efficient, or.....?
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sg 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 11030
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Man... what a great question... and potentially great thread. (SO NO ONE SCREW IT UP )
Id say... learn to instinctually pull in, in almost all bad scenarios
Speed = control, and helps to overcome turbulence/wake/rotor
I think that has saved me more than anything, especially at times when its counterintuitive to pull in, thats when you REALLY need to pull in for speed  _________________
H4, AT, FL, TFL, AWCL, CL, FSL, RLF, TUR, X-C
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GerryP 3 thumbs up


Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Posts: 87
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Here are a few ...
* Develop a solid pre-flight and hang check routine
* Buy the best helmet you can afford
* Keeping air speed is very very important
* Don't fly unless the weather is clearly good
* Extra caution flying near the hill or ground
* Clear your turns
* Never land in water
* Avoid the lee-side of anything (mountains, trees, etc)
* Don't do aerobatics or show off stuff
* Learn to recognize cloud suck and read the sky
* Keep a large LZ always within reach
* Landing approach is most important part of a good landing
* Avoid power lines, trees, ...
* Don't fly alone
* Talk to locals, never be the first to launch
* Safety = decisions and judgement, not skill level |
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AIRTHUG 3 thumbs up


Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 6159 Location: Point of the Mountain, Draper, UT
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:11 am Post subject: |
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In terms of soaring- I wish I had learned a lot sooner when to tighten up, and when to widen up my 360's... made a HUGE difference in my thermalling success when I started to figure that out... It was brought to my attention by Dennis Pagen, who suggested counting (out loud) the Mississippi's it takes to complete a 360. I thought I WAS turning tight, and it turned out I was turning wide... once I knew that, I could work on how and when to turn tighter...
Anyone that's flown thermals with me has probably seen my adjust my 360 size at some point in the thermal... it makes a huge difference to tighten up in a strong core or to widen up in a fat thermal... (and thermals can change back and forth at different altitudes!)
Also, I wish I knew how to read weather conditions as well as I do now... knowing exactly what to expect before stepping off launch is huge!
And I hope moving forward that I continue to learn about reading conditions- I feel like it's one of those things where you never know as much as you could, and the more you learn the more successful your flying is... so I just keep on learnin'... _________________ Ryan Voight
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SeeMarkFly 2 thumbs up


Joined: 24 Mar 2008 Posts: 1681 Location: Lakeview Oregon
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:59 am Post subject: What you wish you'd known then? |
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The person that ties down the glider is the driver.
<edit> Less gender specific than
"He who ties the glider down is the driver of that car/truck/van..."
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CHassan 3 thumbs up


Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 4594 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Learn to launch strong.
Learn to land soft.
Learn everything else you need to know.
In that order! _________________ Airborne Climax 14 (C1)
WW U2
H3
AT, FL,ST, RLF, TUR.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. … Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties. ~~~Douglas Adams
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CAL 3 thumbs up


Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 3464 Location: OGDEN, UT
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| AIRTHUG wrote: |
In terms of soaring- I wish I had learned a lot sooner when to tighten up, and when to widen up my 360's... made a HUGE difference in my thermalling success when I started to figure that out... It was brought to my attention by Dennis Pagen, who suggested counting (out loud) the Mississippi's it takes to complete a 360. I thought I WAS turning tight, and it turned out I was turning wide... once I knew that, I could work on how and when to turn tighter...
Anyone that's flown thermals with me has probably seen my adjust my 360 size at some point in the thermal... it makes a huge difference to tighten up in a strong core or to widen up in a fat thermal... (and thermals can change back and forth at different altitudes!)
Also, I wish I knew how to read weather conditions as well as I do now... knowing exactly what to expect before stepping off launch is huge!
And I hope moving forward that I continue to learn about reading conditions- I feel like it's one of those things where you never know as much as you could, and the more you learn the more successful your flying is... so I just keep on learnin'... |
i wish i knew more about weather now ! a soon as i think i have it figured out i learn something new like, you can have cores of rising air in no sunshine and the sun was never shining that day, i learned that from a Bald Eagle at stockton.
we were at the point of the mountain, Ryan comes out of the sky in which conditions seemed good, maybe a little on the strong side, lands and parks his glider, i asked why he came down soon, he said if i can't figure what is happening out there i just as soon be down here.
i thought man i am all set up , i think i will try to figure it out, the conditions were very strange i had a rough time keeping my glider balanced at launch, he mentioned that is usually a sign of what you will be experiencing when flying and landing, after launching things went fine, then as you would be flying along a wing would dip, forcing the glider towards the ridge, or you would drop very suddenly out of the sky, after a few minutes of that i too came in and landed, Ryan of coarse was smiling ear to ear
i thought about what was happening, my theory was thermals were developing in front of the ridge blocking the wind, because the wind was strong you would get turbulence from the thermal like you would from mechanical turbulence
Ryan knows a lot about what is happening out there, but when he doesn't he does not mess around with it  _________________ Explore nature from the eyes of an Eagle |
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BBJCaptain 1 thumbs up


Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 1142 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:17 am Post subject: |
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To make me think about trim speed as the speed to fly when I went for my first high launch. The first 2 or 3 times I was flying so fast that I
couldn't see. Airspeed is great as long as it is the correct airspeed to fly. I went from 50' to 800' and man what a ride! I guess I have no one
to blame since I was my instructor. I had been thinking of airspeed as ground speed and got a very fast lesson in the difference on the first
few flights.
Also to leave the ridge with enough altitude to do a DBF when the lift starts to die out. If you make the DBF part of your landing
approach early enough in your flying carrier you will be able to get into any LZ with confidence.
Never ever trust what you think someone else is going to do while ridge soaring. Be ready for anything as you pass someone head on.
Above all else RELAX and enjoy the ride _________________ First Flight 1979 H4 , Cirrus 3, UP Mosquito, Delta Wing Streak, Moyes XS, Exxtacy 160, Rotor Vulto, MILLENNIUM #8
ATP,MEL,HELI, http://www.youtube.com/user/BBJCaptain/videos
Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body.
But rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out and broken, shouting
"Holy Crap, WHAT A RIDE !!"
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red 3 thumbs up


Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 2740 Location: Utah, USA . . . . . . . . . . . . . Sol III
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:41 am Post subject: What you wish you'd known then? |
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Campers,
Probably the best thing to know is when to leave the glider on the truck. I no longer go anywhere to fly, I go out to look at the weather (conditions) on launch. If it's good, or at least okay, then I go flying. I have even been known to look at reasonable conditions, and still back off because something did not feel right inside me. I am not ruled by my "gut feelings,' but it is one more factor that I have learned to consider.
A new HG pilot may feel "obligated" to fly due to work schedules (I have to work tomorrow!), or even by social pressures (everybody else is launching!). My advice to low-time pilots is this: If you are not looking out from launch with serious anticipation (I am READY for this!), and with everybody saying you are gonna do great here, then maybe you are rushing things. The sky will still be there, when you are better prepared. Don't get yourself busted up, trying to do things that you are not good at, yet. You have a certain level of comfort, in your flying. Fly at the upper end of that level, if you wish, but there is no obligation to far exceed that limit. As Pilot In Command, on your aircraft, you do not owe explanations to anybody else.
 _________________ Cheers,
........Red.........................
Pssst! New pilot? Free advice, maybe worth the price,
http://www.xmission.com/~red/
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jyoder111 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Dec 2009 Posts: 246 Location: Virginia, USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Don't be too quick to use a vario, radio, and all that jazz. First time I flew with a vario beeping and someone talking on the radio I was too distracted and sank out right away because I began to wait for beeps/instructions instead of listening to the air and the glider.
Pagen's book mentions adding only one or less new distraction to a flight. I still don't fly with a vario because I'm not ready for one. |
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Nibs 3 thumbs up


Joined: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 2612 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| Dirt roads look like paved roads from any altitude above "too late to change fields now". |
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kukailimoku 3 thumbs up


Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 586 Location: Oahu, Hawaii
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| jyoder111 wrote: |
Don't be too quick to use a vario, radio, and all that jazz. First time I flew with a vario beeping and someone talking on the radio I was too distracted and sank out right away because I began to wait for beeps/instructions instead of listening to the air and the glider.
Pagen's book mentions adding only one or less new distraction to a flight. I still don't fly with a vario because I'm not ready for one. |
Further on that (and thanks for bringing it up), I did my first several hours of H2 time on the coastal dunes near KHK and didn't even HAVE a vario. When I went to the mountians for the first time, after that first holy-crap-this-is-the-coolest-thing-ever flight, I borrowed one to give it a try. Of course, I stumbled into a thermal straight out from launch, heard the beep-beep, started circling and absolutely tunnel-visioned on the vario needle. Two circles later, not paying attention to the wind or the drift, my exit was...ummm...entertaining (and I lost the altitude that I'd gained)!
Last flight of the day, ridge soaring conditions, I took the vario with me again...and flew like crap. Bear in mind that I had HOURs of scratching and clawing for every inch of altitidue on the dunes; the vario became my focus and completely ignored the feedback from the glider.
An interesting note to add: many years (and thousands of hours) later, when my vario died I didn't bother to replace it. The silence was a joy and I found that I could climb out just fine using my experience. I never flew with one again.
(A quick edit: I was never a big XC guy and would have had the best flight deck I could afford if I was...) _________________ Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member of congress.
But I repeat myself.
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jimrooney 3 thumbs up


Joined: 23 Feb 2008 Posts: 1713 Location: Queenstown, New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Good stuff.
Good thread.
#1) Buy a Falcon
Chasing the performance demon is stupid and will slow your progress. Man that would have helped so much.
There is a faction of Footlaunch only purists that need to be kicked in the nuts. I'll never forgive myself for listening to them. My learning went into lightspeed once I started towing.
In fact, there's a lot of "us vs them" bs in HG circles. None of it is good for the sport.
A true appreciation for what flying fast on final means. It's nice words, but most people that don't actually *think* that they are. One tandem opened my eyes.
Landing is a formula.
It's simple and can be taught. Unfortunately, most pilots don't know the formula (because they were never taught it), so they can not teach it to you. Once you know it, it is easy to learn to land and to land well.
When the lift increases, fly flatter circles. When it decreases, fly tighter. What a difference that makes.
Ok, there's more, but those are the big ones in my book.
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TomGalvin 3 thumbs up


Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 3547 Location: ............... Pagosa Springs, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Don't leave lift or zero sink. Just have patience and relax. _________________ Real freedom lies in wildness, not in civilization.
Charles Lindbergh |
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NMERider 3 thumbs up


Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 7368
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| TomGalvin wrote: |
| Don't leave lift or zero sink. Just have patience and relax. |
Took me a long time to learn this one! I see H3s & 4s all the time that still haven't learned it.  |
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Nicos 3 thumbs up


Joined: 21 May 2009 Posts: 1020 Location: Canberra, Australia
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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One hand up, one hand down (on the downtubes) for landing in rowdy air... when in doubt, PULL IN.
Relax.
And not being afraid to ASK for feedback whenever possible... that way we all learn something  |
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mapjim 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 344 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Never rush, especially on or before launch. _________________ formerly Airwave Calypso
Rio 2 17 (red undersurface with bright orange leading edge)
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nulld 2 thumbs up


Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 32 Location: WV
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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These are some of the things I remember.
1. Pay attention to weather on launch and in the LZ. Be very aware that the wind at launch is more than likely stronger at altitude. Also, just because you can launch in thermally conditions does not mean that you can land in the same conditions.
2. Listen to other pilots talk about their flight plans. Get a mentor and LISTEN.
3. In light conditions, try to stay at least two wing spans away from the mountain.
4. In strong conditions, stay further away from the mountain (depends on conditions).
5. Ground clearance is your friend. Do not do 360s without altitude--never close to the ridge.
6. Airspeed is also your friend, especially when close to the ridge or when landing.
7. Clear all turns. If flying with paragliders, give them extra room. Your wake can collapse their wing. |
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tige_matt 3 thumbs up


Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 55 Location: Austin TX
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Fly with the best equipment and fly only when it's worth it.
If you are visiting a new site and the locals are not setting up, eat some humble pie and don't set up.
And my favorite ...when thinking about turning back toward the hill to stay in a thermal, think "T.C." Terrain Clearance or...... Trauma Center.
Matt _________________ Mediocre people are always at their best... |
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relate2 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 3391 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Some great tips.
One from me that really helped. I was flying with a death grip on the base bar trying to correct for every little bump and it was tiring me out.
A mate said "Just let yourself rock under the glider, it won't fall out of the sky with every bump."
All of sudden flying was easy, I would keep a light grip which gave me much more feedback on what the glider was doing and I was no longer tired out........Now surely I don't have to say don't do this if the air is really rough, just have some common sense. _________________ Sonic 165
Lightsport 3
Malibu 188
My youtube channel
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