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Billyjoe · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:07 am Post subject: aero-towing a Saturn 167

Does anyone have any aero-towing experience on a Saturn 167? If so, what is the attachment point for the "vee" line on the keel? Thanks,

Bill Finn

st1lgar · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:59 pm Post subject:

Ask here

http://upgliders.com/contact.php

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Billyjoe · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject:

Thanks. so far, John Heiney can't remember and the UP site hasn't responded. I was hoping someone with actual towing experience would respond. We'll see:-)

Bill

fly,surf,&ski · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:40 pm Post subject:

Paris Williams was part of the design team, along with of course John and Dave B. He stressed the importance of the glider feeling "on rails" at high speed so it would be easy to aerotow. I'm sure Joe can answer all of you're questions, but you might also want to contact Paris himself with any AT specific Saturn questions @ http://www.californiahg.com/ris .

The only complaint I have ever heard about the saturn is some people say it's stiff(I don't think so though) for a novice level DS glider. It might be slightly stiffer than say a spectrum or an eagle, but at speed it's much more stable(there's always some sort of trade off in HG design), therefore making it easier for lower airtime pilots to tow, and fly fast on landing approach.... Mr. Green

Great Gliders mosh

J Fritsche · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:08 pm Post subject:

fly,surf,&ski · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:15 pm Post subject:

Billyjoe · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:29 am Post subject:

Thanks for the comments everyone. I'm stepping down in performance from a Talon to a U2 and now, to a Saturn. So, I can handle some stifness (don't read anything into that). I've given up on those mid-day, washing machine-like rippers. Now, all I want to do is tow up before or after the big stuff, boat around for an hour or so, land and have a beer. I think the Saturn is going to be great for that.

Bill

ddreg · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:27 am Post subject:

What was it about the Talon and U2 that made it not fun anymore. I fly a Saturn now and considering a move to a U2.

Billyjoe · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:01 pm Post subject:

Nothing about the gliders. It's about me. I'll be 74 this summer and I no longer want to get the poop beat out of me in turbulent air. I don't want to go negative in my harness. I don't want to get spit out of nasty thermals. I don't want to fly XC. I'm not flyin for bragging rights. I'm looking for a different kind of flying experience. Now, it's all about mellow boating around at cloud base or at the top of the inversion in light, predicable lift and landing where my car and the beer are ;-). Kinda like POM eh?

jj colorado · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:29 pm Post subject:

I had a Saturn 167 and it should work out great for you. Very loose with VG off and still easy to handle with VG at 3/4 or full. Very easy to thermal. Fun to fly at the Crawfords.

fly,surf,&ski · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject:

Alfie Norks · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:10 am Post subject:

saturn 167 ?
f*** , ……what year is it?
Dude! Are you caught in a time space continuum?
Its 2011! God dam it ! Fly something that won't kill you. mosh

flyingdawg · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:54 am Post subject:

Are your comments based on pure and utter ignorance or do you have some facts to back them up? I recently flew a Saturn 167 for two years and was incredibly impressed with everything about the glider. I'd love to see a detailed comparison made between it and a Sport 2. I think it would be very surprising how well the Saturn would compare (I'm not speaking from ignorance--I owned and flew a Sport 2). Oh yeah, I ain't dead yet from from flying the Saturn in the big air on Sandia Mountain. So anyone considering a Saturn 167, you will love it.

Windlord · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:02 am Post subject:

From the Saturn 147 manual

"For aero-towing the Saturn we recommend a "V" bridle connection between the tow line and the pilot/glider
to reduce pitch pressure while on tow. The pilot attachment point should be at the farthest-forward point of the harness.
The glider attachment point should be on the keel about 16 inches in front of the kingpost.
Whether or not your Saturn has the optional "tow/tie-down ring" you must prevent the attachment
point from sliding forward during tow. To accomplish this, tie an appropriate length of 505 cord between the attachment point and the kingpost.
If the keel attachment point moves significantly forward during tow, pitch pressure can become very light or even negative affecting control,"

Alfie Norks · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject:

blindrodie · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:44 pm Post subject: Always a good starting point.

idahoDal · 3 thumbs up Joined: 31 Oct 2007 Posts: 99

Alfie, bite me.

The Saturn is a sweet glider. Many an ACP will tell you this. They tow like they're on rails and fly like warm butter.

Seriously Alfie you started this. Bite me.

fly,surf,&ski · Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:16 pm Post subject:

Alfie Norks · Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:50 am Post subject:

psydor · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:20 am Post subject:

It is tiresome to be in search of useful information on the Org and have to scroll through drivell like the posts here from Alfie Norks.

When i want to read about how a glider flies, I value insight and opinion of someone who has 1st hand knowledge.

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