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| Knew I was going to do both HG and PG. |
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ddreg 3 thumbs up


Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 162 Location: Pnt.ot.Mtn, bunny hill
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:42 am Post subject: When you started flying |
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Curious how educated people were with the different free flying sports when they started.
Please choose only HG if at the time you started you determined that HG would be your only sport (and you knew about PG) even if at a much latter time you decided to take up both.
For the unbiased and biased options, I figure if you've been in the sport for a while you'll be able to make a good guess on whether the person you asked for advice was giving the other sport a fair review.
I would have liked to do a paragliding poll also but figure there would be little paraglider traffic here.
My story: When I started, I sent emails all the local instructors, both PG and HG only one HG instructor mailed be back and that is who I trained with. After sometime in the sport I began to believe that HG was a safer form or foot launch flight compared to PG.
That brings up another question, maybe some one can post it on a paragliding forum for me. How many PG think that PG is more risky than HG but still choose to do PG anyway. And if you think PG is more risky what is the reason you chose it over HG? |
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FlyMyU2 3 thumbs up


Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 443 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:01 am Post subject: |
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When I started hang gliding, there was no paragliding. _________________ WW U2 160
AT FL
AWCL CL FSL RLF TUR X-C |
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CAL 3 thumbs up


Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 3455 Location: OGDEN, UT
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: |
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when i started hg in 1976 there was no pg i quit hg in 81 and started again in 2008 . in which i knew about pg. in fact most of my friends and family flew pgs.
they tried to talk me into pg but after watching them i still wanted to hg . they are still good friends but obviously i have more hg friends now. in fact some of my pg friends are now hg and pg .
wouldn't it be awesome if we all flew both that would solve the problem with ushpa. we would all be on the same page, how ever i am having way to much fun hg to learn to pg _________________ Explore nature from the eyes of an Eagle |
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HangDog 3 thumbs up


Joined: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1485
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Only HG for me. _________________
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dgs 3 thumbs up


Joined: 31 May 2009 Posts: 138 Location: Jericho, VT
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:29 am Post subject: |
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In '77 I looked into HG, found it too dangerous, took up skydiving instead.
In 2008 my wife started HG, I couldn't be left behind, so started as well.
She switched to PG in 2009, I swore I wouldn't (too dangerous).
I tried PG in 2010, was surprised at how much fun it was, now I have to buy more gear. _________________ Dan
H3/P1 AT,FL,FSL,CL,AWCL
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old newbie 3 thumbs up

Joined: 02 Dec 2008 Posts: 811
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Some other choices that should be available
Knew I was going to do only paragliding(some switch, some do both)
And what if paragliding did not exist when you took up hang gliding.
And if hang gliding existed when you started flying sailplanes.
And if there was no foot launched flying did you run off a cliff and hold a bedsheet.
Did you know hang gliding still existed when you took up paragliding?
Did you know that paragliders are not stunt parachutes and don't just randomly fall from the sky reardless of what Ric Masters says, when you took up hang gliding?
Many of the reason for pilots talking up paragliding(not as opposed to taking up hang gliding);
Exposure
Portablity
Instruction available
Combining hiking and travel with convinent flying.
flying community
I am not sure how many pilots approach it as I am going to take up paragliding or hang gliding and then research check out instructors and compare risks.
I started with standards in 76 and played a little for a couple years. Almost bought a new hang and took up the sport a few times. In 1990 on a extended camping and mountain bike vacation I stopped at Point of The Mountain to check out hang gliding and paragliding(I had always followed hang gliding and was watching paragliding start up) The portability matched my lifestyle and I took up paragliding but I knew I would still hang glide.
Work and family did not allow much time and I choose to do one rather then both poorly. Eventually the sand seemed to be running through the hour glass fast and I went out and bought a hang, went to the beach and started flying prone. Flying both is the answer for me, now that I have the time(well make the time)
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Windlord 3 thumbs up


Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 4702 Location: Montana
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| tipvortex wrote: |
| When I started hang gliding, there was no paragliding. |
Same here! _________________ H-4 (1976) UP Saturn 147 & UP Axis 13
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Learn to fly hang gliders (click here}
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Wingspan34 2 thumbs up


Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 5652 Location: Central NY
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| tipvortex wrote: |
| When I started hang gliding, there was no paragliding. |
This was essentially true for me as well.
But there was paragliding at the time (and even earlier than 1973). It was just not something that caught my eye and stuck. It was just somebody who had knowledge of primitive ram air parachutes who wanted to attempt to foot launch and glide using equipment more familiar to them. BTW - They were called "Limp Wings" at the time.
I would also like to say that the poll included here would be better if it were broken into two separate polls. As it is, no answer fits my situation. And if one of the two top questions fit, I'd also like to choose one of the bottom two - but that can't be done - given the limits of these simple, single choice, polls.
If I wanted to vote about my position it would go like this:
I knew I didn't want to paraglide. I did not have to be convinced, and that neither biased nor unbiased advice was involved - just my own common sense, powers of observation, and a small bit of experience.
In fact, the more unbiased/objective information and experience I get, (as in first hand observation of PG collapses) the less I want to have anything to do with them. It also troubles me that PG pilots I've gotten to know and like could be (have been) hurt due to the design flaws inherent in PGs. _________________ WW 141 Fusion SP
Master rated, First flight - May 1975
FL, PL, PA, AWCL, CL, FSL, RLF, TURB, X-C |
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jimrooney 3 thumbs up


Joined: 23 Feb 2008 Posts: 1713 Location: Queenstown, New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: |
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I didn't know about PG when I started HG.
About a year later I started PG and instantly became very irritated by all the people that had and were trying to put me off PG. I had kept an open mind till I could decide for myself. When I could, what I decided was how closed minded the people giving me "advice" were.
I can say the same for aerotowing.
Many people tried to warn me off about that "impure" flying as well.
Get stuffed.
Both rock.
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Davedebogusone 1 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Posts: 1476 Location: Beauklahoma ,peoples republic of Kalifornia
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| But there was paragliding at the time (and even earlier than 1973). |
Really
NO ,your lying
(As I place my hands over my ears)
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Well in my little world there wasn't any that I had seen when I started.
The things that were close were on people that jumped, fell or were pushed out of those noisey aeroplane contraptions  |
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johnpeace 3 thumbs up


Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Location: NE Georgia
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:33 am Post subject: |
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When I started flying, I lived on an island with only one HG instructor, one HG training hill and one paragliding school.
The paraglider school had essentially ruined the sweetheart deal that the sole HG instructor had using a flying site for tandems, which forced him out of hang gliding as a job. Then, they (the PG school) secured an exclusive use lease with the landowner of the training hill, convincing him that it'd be a better deal for him with liability, etc.
They stopped allowing HG to use the training hill.
So along I come with my copy of HG magazine with the TR3 on the cover, wondering how I can learn HG.
The HG instructor told me I was basically SOL.
My biwingual friend persuaded me to do some PG instruction, so I did and flew PG a little.
Then the paragliding school changed hands. While the PG dickheads were selling their flight school and during the chaos of the transition period, I saw an opportunity and got the HG instructor to use that brief window of time to do 5 days of instruction with me...enough to get my H2.
Sold all my PG gear, bought a MkIV and looked back glad that I survived a few months of flying PG. _________________ H4 :: FL FSL CL AWCL TURB RLF XC
WW Talon 140
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peanuts 3 thumbs up


Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 1880 Location: virginia
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| tipvortex wrote: |
| When I started hang gliding, there was no paragliding. |
diTTo for me. i came from skydiving, which i found to be a let-down. i wanted to keep it up longer. dangle kites forever!!! |
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jjcote 3 thumbs up


Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Posts: 3216 Location: Lunenburg, MA, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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When I decided that I wanted to HG, I didn't know about PG (and I think it was still primitive at that point). By the time I started learning to HG, I had already decided. At this point I don't know whether I'll also learn PG at some point, but limited time is the main reason against. _________________ H4 + various skills (only foot-launch so far)
WW UltraSport 147, WW Falcon2 170, PacAir Vision Mark IV 17
My HG wiki profile and my flying blog |
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bisleybob 3 thumbs up


Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 780 Location: east coast, England, UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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i wanted HG but was given the hard sell PG thing. had to forcefully turn it down 3 times.
every reason i gave why i wanted HG they came up with a counter argument until i finally rested on "its my choice thats what i want," the reply was a short shap OK, as if you cant help some people.
man that winds me up. |
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Spark 3 thumbs up


Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 1875 Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| tipvortex wrote: |
| When I started hang gliding, there was no paragliding. |
ditto _________________ 'Spark
H4/OBS - WW U2-160 & Falcon 2 195
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DaveB 3 thumbs up


Joined: 26 Feb 2009 Posts: 379 Location: Ft. Collins,CO
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| tipvortex wrote: |
| When I started hang gliding, there was no paragliding. |
However many +(insert number here)
I'll make +7 now.
Never even heard of them in '77.  _________________ Back in the Day ('77-'90)
H4 w / a garage full of Antique Gliders |
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blindrodie 3 thumbs up

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Posts: 3751 Location: Roeland Park, KS
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Yepper none 'O that PGin when I saw my first few HG 's above Aspen CO., parked over the mountain. Then I get hold of a brochure from Lookout MTN FP in the mail. Then I saw the shots of flying at Grandfather MNT in N Carolina and I knew I would do that one day....  _________________ "Tow me up. I'll find my way down"
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BBJCaptain 1 thumbs up


Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 1141 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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I started in 79, I became a member in 1980 and i couldn't wait to get the new issue in the mail every month. I lived and breathed Hang Gliding. It was the only thing that got me through my motor cycle accident in 1985 ( I was paralyzed from the chest down for 2 weeks ) I had the wife bring me down some of the issues that I had ( still have from 1980 - 1996 ) in the top of my closet. I am sorry that I can't remember his name right now ( I am getting old ) but I had just read the article about the guy that was paralyzed and his buddies put him in his harness and hooked him in and launched him into the air ( @ Ft Funston I think ) When he landed they would pick him up and put him in his chair, break down his glider and send him on his way. If I hadn't have read that article before my crash (coyote) I am not sure if I would have came through the same person I was. That was the only thing that got me through that tough time in my life ( oh yeah the wife to ) I was flying again in 6 months time. To this day I still say USHGA!!! I can't even get the words out…ush…pa…pa…pa When the two forms of free flight where combined and that first magazine came out. I read the 2 articles on HG and then threw it in the trash and never read another. I let my membership expire( but I still kept HG ) and didn't renew it until 3 weeks ago,( I wanted my H4 back in my pocket ) I took about the last 4 yrs off ( both my parents got cancer , that didn't end well ) Now that I am able to travel a little I wanted to be able to fly in Ca. again ( when the wind is strong ) I have nothing against the PG guys, I just remember what it was like when the USHGA was all about Hang Gliding 24/7 and I couldn't put the magazine down till I read EVERY page!! _________________ First Flight 1979 H4 , Cirrus 3, UP Mosquito, Delta Wing Streak, Moyes XS, Exxtacy 160, Rotor Vulto, MILLENNIUM #8
ATP,MEL,HELI, http://www.youtube.com/user/BBJCaptain/videos
Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body.
But rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out and broken, shouting
"Holy Crap, WHAT A RIDE !!"
Open carry IS our second amendment in action. Concealed carry is a regulated privilege.
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peanuts 3 thumbs up


Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 1880 Location: virginia
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| BBJCaptain wrote: |
| 1996 ) I am sorry that I can't remember his name right now ( I am getting old ) but I had just read the article about the guy that was paralyzed and his buddies put him in his harness and hooked him in and launched him into the air ( @ Ft Funston I think ) When he landed they would pick him up and put him in his chair, break down his glider and send him on his way. ! |
could the name you're trying to remember be "Chris Starbuck"? |
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BBJCaptain 1 thumbs up


Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 1141 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| peanuts wrote: |
| BBJCaptain wrote: |
| 1996 ) I am sorry that I can't remember his name right now ( I am getting old ) but I had just read the article about the guy that was paralyzed and his buddies put him in his harness and hooked him in and launched him into the air ( @ Ft Funston I think ) When he landed they would pick him up and put him in his chair, break down his glider and send him on his way. ! |
could the name you're trying to remember be "Chris Starbuck"? |
I think that was it _________________ First Flight 1979 H4 , Cirrus 3, UP Mosquito, Delta Wing Streak, Moyes XS, Exxtacy 160, Rotor Vulto, MILLENNIUM #8
ATP,MEL,HELI, http://www.youtube.com/user/BBJCaptain/videos
Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body.
But rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out and broken, shouting
"Holy Crap, WHAT A RIDE !!"
Open carry IS our second amendment in action. Concealed carry is a regulated privilege.
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forum.php |
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