I don't think I'd be too eager to fly with an open-face helmet after having that experience... _________________ H4 :: FL FSL CL AWCL TURB RLF XC
WW Talon 140
Member of the World's Greatest HG Club!
getting on the downtubes earlier would have helped eh bob _________________ The best 'thermals' are to be found over poorly maintained helium factories.
1. Look at the DT when transitioning. Doing so greatly improves the likelihood of success.
2. If you inadvertently grab the rear wire when transitioning do not immediately try to correct the problem; doing so will almost always exacerbate the problem. Relax and fly the glider first. When the wing is flying level move off the wire to the DT. To avoid this situation see #1.
I've accidentally grabbed the rear wire more than once and have learned it doesn't have to be a big thing. _________________ "If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space." - Anonymous
I am very concerned that there are a number of people on this forum who think that posting someone else's video about an accident, that that other person had, is inappropriate.
These people don't think that accident information should be shared, much less an accident video. After all, the people participating in this thread are just as likely to be abusive and critical of the pilot in this video as they are of ANY pilot who has an accident while flying. How much can you REALLY know from a video. Many of your comments are just guesses and speculation. We can't have that. No information at all, is better than "gossip and speculation".
By these people's way of thinking this thread is disrespectful and insulting by any standard. So, why is it here?
Why does it make a difference that the pilot in this video didn't end up in a hospital? He could have! I wonder how many families are going to see this thread and video and be upset? In fact DxD's family could see it! Somebody "in charge" could see this video and close down that site!
There are so many good reasons to suppress and hide information (in this case, a video) about a hang gliding accident. With so many good reasons, why do they continue to be posted? Surely not so people can learn something? The real and important danger is the pilot will be ridiculed, families will be upset. And that's just not right.
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How should we take such attitudes and comments? _________________ WW 141 Fusion SP
Master rated, First flight - May 1975
FL, PL, PA, AWCL, CL, FSL, RLF, TURB, X-C
I am very concerned that there are a number of people on this forum who think that posting someone else's video about an accident, that that other person had, is inappropriate.
These people don't think that accident information should be shared, much less an accident video. After all, the people participating in this thread are just as likely to be abusive and critical of the pilot in this video as they are of ANY pilot who has an accident while flying. How much can you REALLY know from a video. Many of your comments are just guesses and speculation. We can't have that. No information at all, is better than "gossip and speculation".
By these people's way of thinking this thread is disrespectful and insulting by any standard. So, why is it here?
Why does it make a difference that the pilot in this video didn't end up in a hospital? He could have! I wonder how many families are going to see this thread and video and be upset? In fact DxD's family could see it! Somebody "in charge" could see this video and close down that site!
There are so many good reasons to suppress and hide information (in this case, a video) about a hang gliding accident. With so many good reasons, why do they continue to be posted? Surely not so people can learn something? The real and important danger is the pilot will be ridiculed, families will be upset. And that's just not right.
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How should we take such attitudes and comments?
Somebody must have stolen your lunch money too often...
...and as a "Master" rated pilot you should know the answers.
I find myself on the same side as you on a great number of the debates here but I think your out to lunch on this one. IF we had any reliable info on a crash or maybe a video like this case, then by all means we all have alot to gain from the analysis. But in regards to the most recent accident, as far as I know we have so little information about the crash I don't understand how you think there could be anything to gain from a bunch of wild speculation. There will be a time and place for us to learn from this latest crash but I don't see how anything positive can occur until we know more.
Give it a rest and please don't carry your crusade to every thread on the board . _________________ Jaime Perry
H3 FL CL AWCL FSL
WW Sport 2 155
i just learned that the pilot was not the one who posted the video , not that it matters, anything on YouTube is open game and the pilot wanted everyone to learn from it . is see that PJ picked up on it . but the pilot that did this a good pilot and knows what he did wrong , he could teach us all a few things i take my comment, " how could you have prevented it back " _________________ Explore nature from the eyes of an Eagle
Why does it make a difference that the pilot in this video didn't end up in a hospital?
If he had gotten hurt we would be bitching at you here as well.
blindrodie wrote:
Can you really NOT see the difference!?
Since nothing said here can have ANY effect on the physical status of any injured pilot, then NO, I can neither see a difference, nor IS there a difference.
I do believe, however, that there are people (religious, superstitious, naive, ignorant) that DO think that what someone says on an internet forum can effect the health of another person. But it doesn't seem to me that that kind of person is best put in charge of allowing or denying the timely collection of useful information directly and significantly related to the safe participation in this sport by its members (or at least those who may view and consider it here).
And, as far as "internet BBs" being unworthy or incapable of encouraging and supporting useful and intelligent information gathering and analysis, . . . Well, I've seen plenty of that take place right here. To great effect.
So, . . .
Does someone end freedom of the press (or speech, or information) for everyone else because all they've ever done is look at the comics section of the paper and think it's idiotic and foolish?
i 'm a bit confused with wingspans stand point the following is posted asuming you think posting this video was bad disrespectful and we can learn nothing from it. if this is not your view please explain.
firstly lets cover apropreate vs inapropreate bit.
this pilot published this video on a public site. this is equal to writing a book about your crashes. so he has endorsed it being viewed by many people and being discussed or even to be used by people, see youtube terms and conditions he would have had to agree to them. he is also happy with any come back he may receive or he would not have posted it. therefore he is also happy with his family seeing it. this is backed up by the tone of his description on youtube and him inviting us to watch this rare event. i comend his decision.
should we hide crashes as it may harm the sports image, no lets learn from them and reduce them.
next what about learning value. of course we can learn from this video or are you saying we will never know until the pilot tells us what he did. well thats rubbish. if that were true how could an instructor teach anyone and give feedback based on what he sees. observation is very acceptable. and in my experience people on the ground see more. it can take a pilot a while to realise what he has done. in fact using the video himself.
secondly to that we dont even need to know what actually went wrong. the simple fact that we discuss and explore every possible cause actually means we bring those issues and dangers into the fore fronts of our minds and this one crash, due to one reason, may help lots of pilots actually avoid several types of error because they just analysed them all on a forum.
your statment of no information is better is pure sillyness are you saying we should ignnore any experience except our own, that we should continue until we get hurt then work out why.
one thing i notice in the video reminds me of my own flying that when i transfer my hands i bring one in the middle first and even if i miss an upright i dont put any influence on the wing.
does anyone else do this? it seems missing this basic practice is a bad habitt i see many people do.
(i am in no way saying this is what caused this whack and would hope that this is obvious and really hope we dont have to result to disclaimers after all our posts)
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