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Iskander



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:56 am    Post subject: Need advice on mounting the vario Reply with quote #1   
Hi

I need some advice on how to mount my vario.
I bought an older model from a paraglider (FLYTEC 4020)
then I bought a mounting bracket advertised as "Flytec Hang Gliding Bracket - Universal" (as seen here: http://shop.flybubble.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=1_483_539&products_id=721&osCsid=d8a90b496662acccdd3c5a48f256232e )
Now I find myself in a predicament: the bracket has only one screw, and it is larger than the 4 supplied with the vario (pictures attached).
I need to come up with a solution in the next couple days as Sat I am leaving on a flying holiday abroad. So far, my best idea involves superglue. Does anybody have a better solution?



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #2   
Editing this do to my vario not mounting the same as this one...................
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #3   
There is plastic round plate with a brass insert in it that should have come with your mount or your vario. It has four holes that match the ones in your vario and a brass insert that matches the thread on the mount.. There is a velcro leg strap that PG'ers use if they don't have a deck. If they use that strap they don't need the plate. Track down the former owner to see if he has it or find a flytec or brauniger dealer that can get you one.

Don't use glue, you'll regret it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:35 am    Post subject: 4020 Vario mount problem Reply with quote #4   
You need the plate shown here. This is a pic of my 4020. Jim


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #5   
ksykes wrote:
There is plastic round plate with a brass insert in it that should have come with your mount or your vario. It has four holes that match the ones in your vario and a brass insert that matches the thread on the mount.. There is a velcro leg strap that PG'ers use if they don't have a deck. If they use that strap they don't need the plate. Track down the former owner to see if he has it or find a flytec or brauniger dealer that can get you one.

Don't use glue, you'll regret it.


I tried the former owner and he said he didn't have anything else. The plastic plate shown in my photo with the vario is what he had, and the velcro strap goes through that.
I was thinking of another option which would be to use the leg strap to strap the vario to my arm, and use it like that until I find the missing piece, but that might be a while and it doesn't seem to be a very comfortable position.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #6   
Calll up the local Flytec rep. Should be able to get one for only a few bucks.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:31 am    Post subject: Re: 4020 Vario mount problem Reply with quote #7   
addictedtoflight wrote:
You need the plate shown here. This is a pic of my 4020. Jim

It means that my mount is not compatible. If you look at my 3rd photo, you can see that my mount comes with a screw attached to a knob, so it wouldn't work with a plate like yours. Am I missing something here?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #8   
CHassan wrote:
Calll up the local Flytec rep. Should be able to get one for only a few bucks.

Not a bad idea. I'll try to find a local dealer.
Thanks,
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #9   
It is compatable, you just need the adapter plate like the one I think addicted posted, and the "nut" that goes with it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #10   
Iskander wrote:
CHassan wrote:
Calll up the local Flytec rep. Should be able to get one for only a few bucks.

Not a bad idea. I'll try to find a local dealer.
Thanks,
Dan
Hi Dan,
What you need is the backplate with the male stud and the thumb nut with the female threads as shown in this photo my 4020. Yours came with the PG mount.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #11   
Thanks. That makes sense now. What I still don't understand is how would this flytec universal bracket work. I sent an email to the shop that sold me the bracket in the first place, and I am still struggling to find an authorized local dealer.
I am also under a very short time constraint. If I don't get it in time (which is very likely), should I try and use the vario strapped to my arm? Has anyone tried that? Is it practical?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #12   
I just had an idea! what if I punch a hole through the plastic plate I've got (the one that the velcro strap mounts on) and then get a screw through that, and a nut on the other side to fix it to the bracket?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #13   
Iskander wrote:
Thanks. That makes sense now. What I still don't understand is how would this flytec universal bracket work. I sent an email to the shop that sold me the bracket in the first place, and I am still struggling to find an authorized local dealer.
I am also under a very short time constraint. If I don't get it in time (which is very likely), should I try and use the vario strapped to my arm? Has anyone tried that? Is it practical?


You put the threaded stud thru the hole in the mount, and tighten down with the nut. (The rubber friction ring on the mount should be towards the vario!)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #14   
I have the same problem and I just tuck the thing into my harness glove box and use it as an audio-only and to record my flight time.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #15   
Make a trip to your local hardware store, find a small plate, make a few holes in it and get the right screws.. you need some imagination and some help from the guys working there.. plus a few bucks. It will at least serve you as a temporary solution if not permanent.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #16   
Iskander, while I also prefer the vario on the down tube there are a number of pilots that use the base tube for their instruments.

because the holes in your current bracket are symmetrical it could be screwed on side ways which would make a good base tube bracket? you may have to put some friction tape around you base tube before mounting the vario so it does not rotate in flight.

Myself I would get a HGing bracket from my local Flytec dealer.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #17   
axo wrote:
Make a trip to your local hardware store, find a small plate, make a few holes in it and get the right screws.. you need some imagination and some help from the guys working there.. plus a few bucks. It will at least serve you as a temporary solution if not permanent.

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Good idea. I'll give that a go.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:03 am    Post subject: Need advice on mounting the vario Reply with quote #18   
Iskander,

If you are willing to make a hole in the mounting plate (at the red dot, between the four screw holes), then this assembly might be one way to go.

The mounting plate will need a T-nut. You can either bend the locking pins flat, and use epoxy to glue the T-nut in place, or use a soldering iron to melt each pin into the mounting plate, working a little at a time, in rotation, around the nut. Just heat the pins, not the whole T-nut. This T-nut gives you a strong threaded hole in the mounting plate.

If there is not a hole through the universal arm, you would need to make one (at the red dot). If there is a hole (threaded or not), through it already, just use a new screw which is smaller than the hole, which slides into the hole. Use a T-nut which fits this new screw.

Install the new screw though the universal arm, and into the T-nut in the mounting plate. Make sure the new screw will not protrude through the back of the T-nut, so it does not touch the vario case, when the new screw is fully tight. Once you have the right length for the new screw, disassemble the new screw from the universal arm. Install the mounting plate onto the vario, then install the new screw through the universal arm and into the T-nut.

Whatever method you use to mount a vario, I still recommend a safety lanyard from the vario, which clips around the control bar securely. Even if the vario mount were to fail entirely, you would not drop your vario.



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #19   
TommyT wrote:
Iskander, while I also prefer the vario on the down tube there are a number of pilots that use the base tube for their instruments.

because the holes in your current bracket are symmetrical it could be screwed on side ways which would make a good base tube bracket? you may have to put some friction tape around you base tube before mounting the vario so it does not rotate in flight.

Myself I would get a HGing bracket from my local Flytec dealer.

Tommy


hey tom,i have a flytech 6030 and it would rotate when i do acro or pull some g's.I own a machine shop so im able to make anything my heart desires.After several days and allot of weed smoking i came up with a idea that was sure to work with a shitload of machine work,it failed!.I solved this problem with a screw that has a hole in it and some string.Stop looking somewhere else and do what im telling you because it will end your problem.Drill a .201 hole on the trailing edge of your control bar then tap it 1/4 20.Buy a 1/4 20 cap head bolt and drill a hole through the head of the bolt,perpendicular to the shank of the bolt.Now screw the bolt into the control bar and put a sting through the bolt head and attach to the vario.What is cool about this set up is that your vario will rotate towards you but not down,this is great when you have a hard landing and whack.This is a tried and true method that has kept my vario in its place for many flights.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #20   
I have a 4010 with a similar mounting setup. As already posted you're missing a piece and should be able to get it from a dealer or directly from the Flytec importer. As already suggested, you could fabricate something that would work, too, though my inclination would be to get the factory part.

In the meantime, until you have time to locate the right part, why not just strap the vario to your forearm? It wouldn't be too cumbersome for a trip or two.

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