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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject: Low & Slow Scooter Tow Reply with quote #1   
Seeing the validity of what Steve Wendt and other instructors are doing with the low and slow scooter tow, I finally completed the latest addition to the growing fleet of scooter-tows out there in the USA.

The intent is definitely grow the sport here in Texas!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:45 am    Post subject: Re: Low & Slow Scooter Tow Reply with quote #2   
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Seeing the validity of what Steve Wendt and other instructors are doing with the low and slow scooter tow, I finally completed the latest addition to the growing fleet of scooter-tows out there in the USA.

The intent is definitely grow the sport here in Texas!

- Joel

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #3   
nice work and it looks good to.. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #4   
drool drool It looks good. Now, if only I were back in Texas. Hope to be down your way for the winter.............
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #5   
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drool drool It looks good. Now, if only I were back in Texas. Hope to be down your way for the winter.............


Hey Tony,

Hopefully, by the time that your back in Texas, I'll have the 250cc scooter finished up.

Soar high, fly far!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #6   
Nice rig, Joel. thumbsup

Looking forward to seeing you at King.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #7   
Nice looking job on the scooter. My only question would be what are you using to gauge line tension. I don't see anyway for the scooter to move against a pressure gauge. Most scooters I've been invovled with mounted the scooter in such a way that when you're pulling the student/pilot the scooter moved against a clyinder that read a pressure that allowed the operator to adjust line tension.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #8   
For low and slow you don't really need a tension gage. For one you don't have the time to glance at a tension gage. You can also see the tension by what the glider is doing.
Only when you start to get a bigger scooter, and start to tow higher is a gage important. I doubt you'll blow up a glider with a 250 helix, but the tow force can get high enough to make the tow uncomfortable for the pilot.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #9   
I have done a little scooter towing, but never towed very high. How high can you reasonably scooter tow?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #10   
lostgriz wrote:
I have done a little scooter towing, but never towed very high. How high can you reasonably scooter tow?


on my first day i got to 2800 ft,but i pinned off at 500 ft



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote #11   
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For low and slow you don't really need a tension gage. For one you don't have the time to glance at a tension gage. You can also see the tension by what the glider is doing.
Only when you start to get a bigger scooter, and start to tow higher is a gage important.


This has not been my experience, I learned on a 250cc Honda scooter tow rig and I have quite a bit of time operating the same scooter and a pressure gauge is very important. I have 3 step towed to over 2850ft with the same 250cc scooter. Now if you build a 50cc scooter setup for low and slow then the pressure gauge isn't that important, but 250cc's really needs one just to be on the safe side Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #12   
On a 250 for recreational towing, I won't argue the need for a tension system.

If your goal is to get a Condor 10' high, a tension gage is like dive brakes on a PG.

(P.S. I learned to fly on a Helix 250 rig, and have some time behind the controls too. Mr. Green )

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #13   
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a tension gage is like dive brakes on a PG.


ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL If you could come up with one, I'll bet the guys experiencing a collapse would love em ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote #14   
CHassan wrote:
On a 250 for recreational towing, I won't argue the need for a tension system.

If your goal is to get a Condor 10' high, a tension gage is like dive brakes on a PG.


This scooter is just 80cc. It is definitely designed to be used with a condor and about 5 to 10 feet off the ground, just like in Steve Wendt's video. Like Steve says in the video, there is really not any need for a tension gauge if you are keeping it 'Low & Slow'.

The next scooter that I'm acquiring materials to build will be a 250 cc, and it will have a tension gauge. I've already sourced the load cells that I need for a digital-readout tension gauge. It should be a pretty neat setup when I complete the 250cc project.

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