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sg
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 Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:11 am Post subject: Harassment on the org |
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Im pretty pissed off at what happened with NME here recently.
Part of the mission statement of this site states:
"To provide a friendly community for Hang Glider pilots to hang out and discuss hang gliding "
You can disagree with NME. Can have a heated CIVIL debate with NME. I even disagreed with NME on some stuff. But this crossed the line into simple harassment.
THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS SITE IS ABOUT.
I can seriously relate. I was aggressively harassed by a group of pilots when I was a new H3 because of a perceived high risk situation.
Let me tell you, IT CAN ABSOLUTELY RUIN THE SPORT OF HANG GLIDING FOR YOU. There was a time I didnt even want to fly anymore because of 100 nannys flaming me every day.
If I see people harassing anyone like this again, im going to ban them a lot earlier than I typically do. I like to give people 3 warnings and a lot of time to change their ways, but this is the last straw.
People need to feel free to share on this site, the good and the bad. If we attack people every time they post the bad, we miss out on a lot of things that can be learned. Especially the new pilots. In the future, other pilots will keep tight lipped as well. This situation really sucks.
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Wagner24314
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:14 am Post subject: |
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i agree look how many times a few guy jump all over me.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Huh! Did I miss something- - -what happened? 
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johnpeace
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| If I see people harassing anyone like this again, im going to ban them a lot earlier than I typically do. |
I think effective moderation would include:
- pointing out the difference between harassing someone and communicating effectively
- demonstrating how a pompous, retaliatory post could be re-worded in a more encouraging, helpful, non-aggressive tone
- identifying clearly inappropriate behavior and offering alternatives
..before outright banning people.
HG pilots are maybe not the world's most articulate group of people. I thik a lot of times our 'abuse' of another pilot is less by intent and more the result of a simple communication skill deficiency.
Banning people when you perceive that they've crossed some arbitrary line will produce unintended consequences that are as damaging to this site as the behavior you're banning people for.
I'd rather see you select a few moderators based on their knowledge, communication skills and attitude and appoint them to help prod threads back in the right direction when they start going the wrong way.
Thanks for your efforts here, this site is a great resource and a terrific avenue for the community.
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CHassan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| Windlord wrote: |
| Huh! Did I miss something- - -what happened? |
What always happens.
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sg
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:31 am Post subject: |
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People always get fair warning before being banned. I dont have time to hand hold everyone and give examples on how to re-write their posts in a less aggressive way. Others are free to do so though.
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johnpeace
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:33 am Post subject: |
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People always get fair warning before being banned. I dont have time to hand hold everyone and give examples on how to re-write their posts in a less aggressive way. Others are free to do so though.
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OK, you're the leader.
The quality of the community that grows here will be a reflection of your leadership.
Good luck, we're all counting on you!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:59 am Post subject: |
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SG, I think you're overreacting to NME's overreacting. I think. What the hell are you talking about anyway? Whatever it was, NME is a big boy and I think he can handle it all by himself.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:06 am Post subject: |
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This is the kind of stuff im talking about
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NME crasher, Tape on your basebar a mirror & a message stating that your a squid in need of an anus to crawl into. That should clarify things for you. As far as learning how to land. If you need a message as a reminder, well there's no hope for you. Here's more from another site.
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Look at the dudes homepage. I think it refers to wacko's like you. |
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Its one thing to sit back and dictate.
Its another to be able to do it.
In this case, you are the d*** . I say that with little, or no respect.
As the ozzies say about dude's such as you.........Just Another WANKER |
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FlyMyU2
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:07 am Post subject: |
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I think SG has enough to do besides hand-holding or babysitting some that don't have the civility to be respectful. Moderating all posts, even on a trial basis for new members, takes TONS of time.
Cowards, like some with two-letter user names and cute locations in their profile, are big on bashing others behind the anonymity of a forum.
Come back NME! Your posts are extremely valuable and educational. If others think they can do better, let's see you take the time to create videos and post your flights. |
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sg
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| I think SG has enough to do besides hand-holding or babysitting some that don't have the civility to be respectful. Moderating all posts, even on a trial basis for new members, takes TONS of time. |
Thank you. This is not a full time job. There is no way I can read every post on this forum each day.
Im simply asking people to follow the rules. Why is that so hard.
If youre not getting through to a pilot, walk away. Getting aggressive and name calling only solidifies their position.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: |
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I see this use to be fun.Hopefully it will be again because most of
us enjoy NMEriders high quality videos and insight.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:27 am Post subject: |
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Yes, that was pretty mean. Hopefully Jonathan is not in his room sulking about it and will come out to play again soon.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| sg wrote: |
This is the kind of stuff im talking about
]NME crasher, Tape on your basebar a mirror & a message stating that your a squid in need of an anus to crawl into. That should clarify things for you. As far as learning how to land. If you need a message as a reminder, well there's no hope for you. Here's more from another site.
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Look at the dudes homepage. I think it refers to wacko's like you.
Its one thing to sit back and dictate.
Its another to be able to do it.
In this case, you are the d*** . I say that with little, or no respect.
As the ozzies say about dude's such as you.........Just Another WANKER |
SG's right to act on this.. I ran a busy forum for over six years, this kind of talkf from one member to another would have been an instant ban.. no question. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:59 am Post subject: |
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NME is one of the coolest dudes to grace this forum in a long time. A good heart, great smarts, and excellent skills. Hard for me to believe someone would use their energy to belittle him. If you read this, John, most of us consider you a valued friend.
Problem with people is, some of them don't play well with others. If they kick sand in our electronic sand box at our good playmates, off with their moronic little heads.
The monkey has spoken.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Don't leave us NME!!! You're videos and commentary are awesome opportunities to learn some new stuff.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: |
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I posted a video of , what I thought was a good landing.
Nme responded with ridicule. As if it were a personnel attack. Claiming were all being "deceived by this landing" , and that not all is as it seems. Untold damage will be the result. It was just a vid I found. I looked & looked at it. Could not figure out the drama. Then PV came over with statement that maybe NME had a touch of envy ,due to the poor landing skills he has shown. Maybe thats it. PV even offered tips. The spotlight was off. More vids followed. More abuse. I'll send a PM to the dude who owns the vid, just to see if he cares at all. Granted , I called MNE a nutter. After reading the retort of the vid he criticised, I thought he was a nutter. Big deal. He walked into the kitchen and started a fire. I'm not the type to turn up with an extingquisher, especially after the fact. So he's taken his bat & ball and gone home. Sorry to all you people out there. But I have no apologies for MNE. Life's tuff at times. So SG if banning me is next, so be it. I've gone flying. This isn't 10,000ft, and NME isn't god.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Warning: Wankers, with big mouths, little experience, who can't land and crash constantly , should be seen, and not heard. Psalm 2:4 Book of Dealing with WANKERS. |
And this sig is in reference to?
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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