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| Do you have children? |
| I have no kids and wouldn't want any if I could afford them |
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15% |
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| I like kids but don't have the wherewithal to raise or support them so it's zero for me too |
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| I love children and have some very good recipes too |
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| I am raising one or more children |
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| At least one offspring is now a self-sufficient adult |
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| I have at least one grand child |
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| I have at least one great grandchild |
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NMERider
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 Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: Pilots w/ Kids & Grandkids |
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I have a sneaking suspicion that I belong to a minority of pilots who don't have children. Be they spawned, cloned,.step, adopted, foster, borrowed, rented or otherwise. This came up when some old friends from high school (in the '70s) tracked me down on Facebook. Everyone of them has at least one kid and many have a grand kid or more.
Another good poll thread might be families that hang glide. I'll save that for another time.
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sg
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:04 am Post subject: |
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None for me, and no plans. Were trashing this earth already. It needs another kid about as much as I need another cancerous tumor (No, I dont have one  )
Too many kids already starving to death in this world.
Besides, waaaay too much of a time, money and energy sink. Something I want more of, not less 
Lot of myth busting going on lately
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92278298
http://www.newsweek.com/id/143792
"In fact, no group of parents—married, single, step or even empty nest—reported significantly greater emotional well-being than people who never had children. It's such a counterintuitive finding because we have these cultural beliefs that children are the key to happiness and a healthy life, and they're not."
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:26 am Post subject: |
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NMERider
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Although I do not take sides on the issues mentioned above, I would like to add that my parents admitted to me that they would have been ostracized during their generation if they had no kids. In other words, I am a product of my parents' peers' pressure. I'm a 3-P kid! I'm not complaining about it.
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DanTuck
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:39 am Post subject: |
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None. No desire.....at least not now or anytime in the near future.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:40 am Post subject: Pilots w/ Kids & Grandkids |
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Campers,
Insanity runs in families.
You get it from your kids.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: |
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phantomflier
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:02 am Post subject: |
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whoa!!! tough crowd!!! Why don't we just start a "post a mug shot of your kids" thread, and then hunt them all down and kill them.
Having kids is an amazing, primal experience. don't you go posting bogus reports about the happiness of parents vs non parents. It's a crock to even go there!!
I envy all you with complete control of your life (ie flying time) ...but I would NEVER give my kids up, or turn back the clock to change my situation.
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Sky_Walker
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Parenting is certainly one of the most difficult jobs to perform well, however, its one of the most rewarding jobs as well. I can't imagine life without my kids, sure I'd have alot more money and free time to boot but I wouldn't trade them for anything in this world.
That said it doesn't break my heart that my daughter is 21 and the boy is almost 17, soon the empty nest will allow me to fly alot more than I do now.
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sg
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| phantomflier wrote: |
Why don't we just start a "post a mug shot of your kids" thread, and then hunt them all down and kill them.
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No one said they dont like kids. They just dont want to have them.
I enjoy kids. Im a big kid myself. But I like to play with my friends kids, THEN GIVE THEM BACK 
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| ...but I would NEVER give my kids up, or turn back the clock to change my situation. |
The latest research also states that society requires you to say such things, otherwise you are labeled an evil bastard  Lets face it, what parent would say, in public, anything other than how woneerful their kids are?
But what parents say in public, and in private are 2 very different things, hehe
Social research in the last few years has been digging into this, and the outcome has been pretty consistent when parents are polled in private without peer pressure. Overall, they make you slightly less happy. Thats a huge price to pay for slightly less happy.
But not all parents feel this way. Thats the average. Some parents, absolutely love it. (You?) Some really hate it. But on average, overall they come out being a slight negative with regards to happiness.
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CHassan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
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I have 2 kids, sometimes I want to kill them myself, and sometimes I'd do anything for them.
I am envious of the time an money those with out kids have, and regardless of what society says I should say, I really wouldn't trade them for anything.
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| None for me, and no plans. Were trashing this earth already. It needs another kid about as much as I need another cancerous tumor (No, I dont have one Laughing) |
Kids are not born trashing the earth. They learn that from the adults. Hell some kids will grow up and HELP the earth. It is the adults who need to be thinned out! To compare kids with cancer is simply absurd.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Three for me. 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Im comparing humans to cancer, not kids specifically. The way our specious breeds and does damage is a good analogy to cancer. Were like a bacteria growing on this body we call earth and trashing it. So far, I dont think anyone can argue against that. Maybe a new ultra green generation of bacteria (good bacteria), will start cleaning things up. But im not holding my breathe. Right now, were all acting like bad bacteria. Some choose not to multiply. Doesnt seem like a bad idea considering our history so far
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:49 am Post subject: |
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people make accidents
accidents make people
little ankle snappers sure change one's life style 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Don’t have any kids but would love to have a few.
Some how I just don’t see it happening.
I kept saying “someday…” but now I find myself pushing 40 and I’m still saying “someday…”
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phantomflier
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Social research in the last few years has been digging into this, and the outcome has been pretty consistent when parents are polled in private without peer pressure. Overall, they make you slightly less happy. Thats a huge price to pay for slightly less happy.
But not all parents feel this way. Thats the average. Some parents, absolutely love it. (You?) Some really hate it. But on average, overall they come out being a slight negative with regards to happiness. |
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No kids. Never really planned to not become a parent, but it seems to be what happened, and at this point I'd say it's pretty much game over. I've got some that I borrow, which brings some of the benefits and some of the drawbacks. I like kids just fine, and I'd definitely rather have kids than pets, but I've got neither. One big concern in my life is that I don't who is going to be keeping an eye on me to take away my keys when I no longer belong behind the wheel of a car. On the other hand, when people hear that I fly hang gliders, they sometimes ask if I can get life insurance, and I always answer, "I have no idea -- why would I want something like that?".
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| jjcote wrote: |
| No kids. Never really planned to not become a parent, but it seems to be what happened, and at this point I'd say it's pretty much game over. I've got some that I borrow, which brings some of the benefits and some of the drawbacks. I like kids just fine, and I'd definitely rather have kids than pets, but I've got neither. One big concern in my life is that I don't who is going to be keeping an eye on me to take away my keys when I no longer belong behind the wheel of a car. On the other hand, when people hear that I fly hang gliders, they sometimes ask if I can get life insurance, and I always answer, "I have no idea -- why would I want something like that?". |
well there IS that.....
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Time Magazine Article
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1202940,00.html
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| Studies reveal that most married couples start out happy and then become progressively less satisfied over the course of their lives, becoming especially disconsolate when their children are in diapers and in adolescence, and returning to their initial levels of happiness only after their children have had the decency to grow up and go away. When the popular press invented a malady called "empty-nest syndrome," it failed to mention that its primary symptom is a marked increase in smiling. |
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| Our children give us many things, but an increase in our average daily happiness is probably not among them. |
The article tries to put a good spin on it, but the research I keep coming across shows the same pattern. Less happiness over all.
Of course all parents must claim its all lies!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| In Daniel Gilbert's 2006 book "Stumbling on Happiness," the Harvard professor of psychology looks at several studies and concludes that marital satisfaction decreases dramatically after the birth of the first child--and increases only when the last child has left home. He also ascertains that parents are happier grocery shopping and even sleeping than spending time with their kids. Other data cited by 2008's "Gross National Happiness" author, Arthur C. Brooks, finds that parents are about 7 percentage points less likely to report being happy than the childless. |
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